How long until Trump fires Netanyahu?

I think this should be your direct concern.

The next Yahya Sinwar or Ismail Haniyeh will be forged in the tent camps of southern Gaza. Embittered at reality and the hand they’ve been dealt. Traumatized by witnessing burning and decapitated bodies and losing their close ones. Indoctrinated to avenge their mother, their father, their brothers and sisters. It’s a profoundly traumatizing experience to see your mother bleed out in front of you as a 4 year old. Kids as young as 10-12 can successfully shoot a kalashnikov and be a threat to IDF forces.

It’s a never ending cycle that somebody needs to break, instead of perpetuating this cycle of violence. Don’t you think that the only way current approach works if you ethnically cleanse the area of everyone that could be remotely perceived as a threat to Israel?

What’s the plan? Bomb them back to Middle Ages again in 2032?

PS: Wikipedia quote:


This post was edited by Malopox on Nov 14 2024 06:55am

Depends on AIPAC

But Mossad might release the Epstien files on him, so probably not.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Nov 14 2024 06:37am

Israel’s military has dropped over 85,000 tonnes of bombs on the Gaza Strip since October 2023, surpassing the bombing of Dresden, Hamburg, and London combined during ww2.

These bombs are not targeting hamas in their tunnels.
These bombs are targeting civilian infrastructure.
This was always the plan.

Any of yall following the shin bet investigation into Netanyahu? The allegations clearly state what the strategic objective of the idf has always been in gaza

From this it now has to be accepted that Reuters is no longer a reputable news source, but rather it acts as an arm for US / Israeli interests, noting it was the guiding hand in this latest event.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 14 2024 07:37am

With or without bombs and trauma the next sinwar is already born.
Its their indoctrination.

But I believe that if they wont accept defeat it will be a never ending cycle.
Surrender and release the hostages

Decisions and consequences

Look, don't get me wrong, I'm trying to figure out a way to justify what Israel is doing. I've asked you several times now - what is the plan? Let's say they release the hostages, what then? You have 5-10 years of peace and have to "cut the grass" again?

It seems to me, based on your replies, Israel is cosplaying Second Boer War from a hundred years ago stage by stage. People are unable to leave (they were born there, where should they go? who would accept them?), people are held in open air camps as a punishment for actions of "the others" and there seems to be no end to this in any reasonable future. If you remember Second Boer war - the British were unable to defeat the Boers, so the implemented scorched earth tactic, burning and destroying everything they captured. Eventually they took all women, children and those unwilling to fight as hostages in an open air concentration camps. Hundreds of thousands were interned in these camps. There was no food, diseases ran rampant, people died in tens of thousands from starvation, typhoid, malaria and what else, while British tried to force the guerilla fighting men to come out of the hiding and stop terrorizing their forces.




The British ultimately won the Second Boer War, but at what cost?

Malopox, there is a basic difference here:

Boer War: An imperial conquest with clear invader-invaded dynamics, leading to British colonial rule followed by eventual independence.
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: A self-determination conflict without a straightforward colonial model, involving two groups with longstanding ties to the land. Britain’s role was influential but limited to a mandate rather than direct colonial governance, and Israel’s establishment and the ongoing conflict differ from the classic colonial-conquest narrative seen in the Boer War.

The fundamental mistake that Israel has made here is that it did not split Israel in half, (granting the Palestinians their own state), or it did not successfully in-one-go annex Gaza and the Westbank decades ago. in the absence of either event historically occurring, they can never progress as a country. The fact that they are doing the later over decades (and still stealing land daily) is simply radicalizing everyone in the country, both jewish and non jewish while at the same time alienating the rest of the world. While the wound remains open (stealing more and more land in the west bank) israel as a country will culturally remain what it is today for decades to come. You cannot have a transition if you are still busy killing and stealing.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 14 2024 10:48am

It was split in half though wasn't it?





Jordan is that other half. The reason that Hamas & friends are not welcome in Jordan is because they gleefully and unrepentantly tried to murder the ruling family - this seems like a problem of their own making

I do completely agree though that it was a massive mistake for Israel to not simply annex Gaza and Samaria decades ago. That is a problem of their own making, their own weakness at the time