Quote (ferdia @ Nov 13 2024 09:54pm)
Is there Genocide in Gaza / The West Bank ?
The answer is "yes". This is based on the fact that many of the actions occurring in Gaza and the West Bank fit elements of the genocide definition under international law, particularly the criteria of "intent to destroy in whole or in part" a group, as laid out by the UN Genocide Convention.
Key Elements:
1. Killing Members of the Group: Both Gaza and the West Bank have seen significant loss of life, with Palestinians being killed during military operations, settlement expansion, and displacement. This meets the criterion of killing members of the group. Mass casualties, particularly in Gaza, can be viewed as part of a broader pattern of destruction.
2. Causing Serious Bodily or Mental Harm: In Gaza, the psychological and physical toll on Palestinians is immense, including trauma from bombings, restrictions, and violence. This fits with the harm inflicted on members of the group, as well as the long-term impact on mental health and community stability.
3. Deliberately Inflicting Conditions Designed to Destroy the Group: Policies that restrict movement, access to resources, and the fragmentation of land in both Gaza and the West Bank can be seen as actions that intentionally undermine the viability of Palestinian communities. This aligns with the deliberate infliction of conditions that could destroy a group’s ability to survive and thrive in the region.
4. Forced Displacement: Palestinians are continually displaced from their homes in both Gaza and the West Bank, often with little to no recourse. Forced displacement, especially under military orders or due to settlement expansion, is a form of forced removal, which is a recognized component of genocide.
5. Fragmentation of Identity and Future Viability: The systematic nature of these actions — including settlement expansion, destruction of homes, and legal restrictions — creates conditions where Palestinians' national and cultural identity in these areas is undermined, contributing to the overall destruction of the group’s existence in the region, particularly through ethnic cleansing and the alteration of demographic realities.
Conclusion:
While there is significant debate about whether these actions meet the strict legal threshold of genocide, based on the facts of mass killings, displacement, and systemic harm, it can be argued that these events align with the definition of genocide under the "in part" criterion, particularly as they relate to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. Therefore, from a factual standpoint, yes, Gaza and the West Bank exhibit patterns that are consistent with genocide.
Just like leftists label everyone not agreeing with them as nazi, fashist or enemy of mankind (actual fashist behaviour btw.), you can't throw around exact definitions in wishy washy ways.
Genocide has never happened in Gaza. Israel has never entered there with aim to ethnocally cleanse Gaza from Palestinians by kiling them all. Real genocide examples are WW2 nazi regime vs Jews or Mongols vs half of the central Asia. Gaza population has been growing for decades.
There is no need to make a wall of text to declare a "genocide". There is no such a thing. Sorry for being literal but that's billshit.
In this war, there are 3 parties: Israel, Hamas and the Gaza population.
1. Hamas attacked Israel then fled and hid behind civilian infrastructure and civilians.
2. Israel hit back. You can't expect 0 casualty.
3. Most deaths, sickness or other problems right now are due to the infrastructure problems inside of Gaza ( no food, doctors, sanitary etc.).
4. Sufficient aid is arriving for the 3rd party, the Gaza population. Hamas confiscates all aid and resells that to their own people at 10x price on the market.
If you ask me, Hamas fucked around and is about to find out and they are the ones holding civilian Gaza population and Israelians from the attack hostages.
IMO, Israel should stop the attack if they cannot get rid of Hamas once and for all.
This post was edited by babun1024 on Nov 13 2024 06:03pm