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Nov 13 2024 08:52am
Iran has developed chemical weapons based on synthetic opioids such as fentanyl, warns a US expert, powerful agents that could incapacitate soldiers or civilians when added to grenades or artillery.
The US and its allies have warned for years that Iran is developing pharmaceutical-based weapons in breach of the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention

Israel feared that Hezbollah would use PBA weapons as part of an alleged plan to seize the Galilee region of northern Israel and kidnap Israeli citizens.
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Nov 13 2024 08:56am
Quote (doomchaser @ Nov 13 2024 03:07pm)
WTF you on about? this person is like a holocaust denier where is the evidence ? While it was going on in front of everyone's eyes ... just wow


You are trying to push an unsuccessful narrative which the entire world already stopped talking about months ago. Scroll back in this thread if you like.
The UN itself posted a paper stating that they cannot determine hunger in Gaza. Which is basically a washed selection of words to say that there is not.
Sure you can disregard everything and keep parroting propaganda.
You can check Sudan for some real hunger crisis. See the difference.
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WTF you on about? this person is like a holocaust denier where is the evidence ? While it was going on in front of everyone's eyes ... just wow


Only this is not holocaust and half of the dead are combatants
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Only this is not holocaust and half of the dead are combatants


plenty of pictures of starving children dying ..to deny that is same as denying the holocaust pretty much when you are the cause of it.. Denying the death you cause women and children Israel's leaders and our leaders seem pretty evil lately ..We also starved to death 500,000 children in Iraq with Sanctions during peace time.. Team America
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plenty of pictures of starving children dying ..to deny that is same as denying the holocaust pretty much when you are the cause of it.. Denying the death you cause women and children Israel's leaders and our leaders seem pretty evil lately ..We also starved to death 500,000 children in Iraq with Sanctions during peace time.. Team America


Pictures of children are propaganda.
Everytime you see a child carrying another child, or with piece of bread its staged.
No one is starving in Gaza
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Nov 13 2024 12:29pm
I welcome anyone of sound and rationale mind to do this:

go to the website: www.google.com

type this into the search bar, ensure no minors are watching your screen when you do this, and discretion is advised:

"starving babies in gaza".

click images.

cheers

finally not to be too brief ~

As of November 2024 ~ Malnutrition among children in Gaza has reached critical levels due to the ongoing genocide being carried out by Israel, restricted access to essential resources, and displacement (ethnic cleansing). Studies show that acute malnutrition in Gaza has escalated rapidly, with UNICEF reporting that 31% of children under two in Northern Gaza suffer from malnutrition, a rise from 15.6% just a month earlier. This increase is largely driven by severe food shortages and water scarcity, compounded by the lack of adequate healthcare and nutritional support (as a direct result of Israel baring food aid from entering Gaza). Severe wasting—an extreme form of malnutrition that is life-threatening—has been observed in around 4.5% of children in Northern Gaza and about 10% in central regions like Khan Younis, a figure that continues to increase.

The long-term impacts of malnutrition on children are substantial and enduring. Malnutrition during critical growth periods leads to developmental delays, increased vulnerability to infections, and potentially permanent physical and cognitive impairments. Children in Gaza already face high rates of food poverty, with nearly 90% of children under two and 95% of pregnant women consuming fewer than two food groups per day, which has severe consequences for early childhood development and long-term health outcomes.

These findings underscore an urgent need for access to nutrition, healthcare, and humanitarian aid to prevent further escalation and mitigate the long-term impacts on Gaza’s children. Without intervention, experts warn of an ongoing crisis with intergenerational health repercussions for affected children and their families. For further details, reports by UNICEF, WHO, and the Global Nutrition Cluster provide comprehensive insights into the gravity of the situation.

https://www.who.int/news/item/19-02-2024-children-s-lives-threatened-by-rising-malnutrition-in-the-gaza-strip
https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/rising-malnutrition-puts-childrens-lives-grave-risk-gaza <-- even UNICEF USA agrees that this is not propaganda.
https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/acute-malnutrition-has-doubled-one-month-north-gaza-strip-unicef

people do not have to agree with me, they can google and read differing views, make up their own mind.



This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 13 2024 12:34pm
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Quote (ferdia @ Nov 13 2024 07:29pm)
I welcome anyone of sound and rationale mind to do this:

go to the website: www.google.com

type this into the search bar, ensure no minors are watching your screen when you do this, and discretion is advised:

"starving babies in gaza".

click images.

cheers

finally not to be too brief ~

As of November 2024 ~ Malnutrition among children in Gaza has reached critical levels due to the ongoing genocide being carried out by Israel, restricted access to essential resources, and displacement (ethnic cleansing). Studies show that acute malnutrition in Gaza has escalated rapidly, with UNICEF reporting that 31% of children under two in Northern Gaza suffer from malnutrition, a rise from 15.6% just a month earlier. This increase is largely driven by severe food shortages and water scarcity, compounded by the lack of adequate healthcare and nutritional support (as a direct result of Israel baring food aid from entering Gaza). Severe wasting—an extreme form of malnutrition that is life-threatening—has been observed in around 4.5% of children in Northern Gaza and about 10% in central regions like Khan Younis, a figure that continues to increase.

The long-term impacts of malnutrition on children are substantial and enduring. Malnutrition during critical growth periods leads to developmental delays, increased vulnerability to infections, and potentially permanent physical and cognitive impairments. Children in Gaza already face high rates of food poverty, with nearly 90% of children under two and 95% of pregnant women consuming fewer than two food groups per day, which has severe consequences for early childhood development and long-term health outcomes.

These findings underscore an urgent need for access to nutrition, healthcare, and humanitarian aid to prevent further escalation and mitigate the long-term impacts on Gaza’s children. Without intervention, experts warn of an ongoing crisis with intergenerational health repercussions for affected children and their families. For further details, reports by UNICEF, WHO, and the Global Nutrition Cluster provide comprehensive insights into the gravity of the situation.

https://www.who.int/news/item/19-02-2024-children-s-lives-threatened-by-rising-malnutrition-in-the-gaza-strip
https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/rising-malnutrition-puts-childrens-lives-grave-risk-gaza <-- even UNICEF USA agrees that this is not propaganda.
https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/acute-malnutrition-has-doubled-one-month-north-gaza-strip-unicef

people do not have to agree with me, they can google and read differing views, make up their own mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsK7noLGOM


While I condemn the actions of Israel, there is no genocide. There is collateral damage due to the war. There is no war without a collateral damage. If you ask me, the scale of the damage is pretty low compared to the combat happening in the region. I am pretty sure IDF isn't going out of their way to kill civilians. You should also mention that Hamas steals all the aid sent to Gaza and resells the products at horrendous prices:
https://nypost.com/2024/10/10/world-news/hamas-steals-humanitarian-aid-trucks-from-gaza-strip/

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While I condemn the actions of Israel, there is no genocide. There is collateral damage due to the war. [/URL]


Genocide? No
Ethnic Cleansing? Maybe

Netanyahu's Ethnic Cleansing in Gaza Is on Display for All to See
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2024-11-10/ty-article-opinion/netanyahus-ethnic-cleansing-is-on-display-for-all-to-see/00000193-12ac-d3a2-a3d7-5bed1d8d0000

The civilian collateral is horrendous. Something pard is still struggling to grasp, is that hamas is in tunnels. Gaza has literally been turned into ruble and that is civilian infrastructure. The goal has always been to push gazans out and annex the west bank:

Eyeing Trump support, Israeli minister pushes for West Bank settlement annexation
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/11/middleeast/israeli-minister-annexation-occupied-west-bank-intl/index.html

All supported by the American taxpayer

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Is there Genocide in Gaza / The West Bank ?

The answer is "yes". This is based on the fact that many of the actions occurring in Gaza and the West Bank fit elements of the genocide definition under international law, particularly the criteria of "intent to destroy in whole or in part" a group, as laid out by the UN Genocide Convention.
Key Elements:

1. Killing Members of the Group: Both Gaza and the West Bank have seen significant loss of life, with Palestinians being killed during military operations, settlement expansion, and displacement. This meets the criterion of killing members of the group. Mass casualties, particularly in Gaza, can be viewed as part of a broader pattern of destruction.
2. Causing Serious Bodily or Mental Harm: In Gaza, the psychological and physical toll on Palestinians is immense, including trauma from bombings, restrictions, and violence. This fits with the harm inflicted on members of the group, as well as the long-term impact on mental health and community stability.
3. Deliberately Inflicting Conditions Designed to Destroy the Group: Policies that restrict movement, access to resources, and the fragmentation of land in both Gaza and the West Bank can be seen as actions that intentionally undermine the viability of Palestinian communities. This aligns with the deliberate infliction of conditions that could destroy a group’s ability to survive and thrive in the region.
4. Forced Displacement: Palestinians are continually displaced from their homes in both Gaza and the West Bank, often with little to no recourse. Forced displacement, especially under military orders or due to settlement expansion, is a form of forced removal, which is a recognized component of genocide.
5. Fragmentation of Identity and Future Viability: The systematic nature of these actions — including settlement expansion, destruction of homes, and legal restrictions — creates conditions where Palestinians' national and cultural identity in these areas is undermined, contributing to the overall destruction of the group’s existence in the region, particularly through ethnic cleansing and the alteration of demographic realities.

Conclusion:

While there is significant debate about whether these actions meet the strict legal threshold of genocide, based on the facts of mass killings, displacement, and systemic harm, it can be argued that these events align with the definition of genocide under the "in part" criterion, particularly as they relate to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. Therefore, from a factual standpoint, yes, Gaza and the West Bank exhibit patterns that are consistent with genocide.
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Is there Genocide in Gaza / The West Bank ?

The answer is "yes". This is based on the fact that many of the actions occurring in Gaza and the West Bank fit elements of the genocide definition under international law, particularly the criteria of "intent to destroy in whole or in part" a group, as laid out by the UN Genocide Convention.
Key Elements:

1. Killing Members of the Group: Both Gaza and the West Bank have seen significant loss of life, with Palestinians being killed during military operations, settlement expansion, and displacement. This meets the criterion of killing members of the group. Mass casualties, particularly in Gaza, can be viewed as part of a broader pattern of destruction.
2. Causing Serious Bodily or Mental Harm: In Gaza, the psychological and physical toll on Palestinians is immense, including trauma from bombings, restrictions, and violence. This fits with the harm inflicted on members of the group, as well as the long-term impact on mental health and community stability.
3. Deliberately Inflicting Conditions Designed to Destroy the Group: Policies that restrict movement, access to resources, and the fragmentation of land in both Gaza and the West Bank can be seen as actions that intentionally undermine the viability of Palestinian communities. This aligns with the deliberate infliction of conditions that could destroy a group’s ability to survive and thrive in the region.
4. Forced Displacement: Palestinians are continually displaced from their homes in both Gaza and the West Bank, often with little to no recourse. Forced displacement, especially under military orders or due to settlement expansion, is a form of forced removal, which is a recognized component of genocide.
5. Fragmentation of Identity and Future Viability: The systematic nature of these actions — including settlement expansion, destruction of homes, and legal restrictions — creates conditions where Palestinians' national and cultural identity in these areas is undermined, contributing to the overall destruction of the group’s existence in the region, particularly through ethnic cleansing and the alteration of demographic realities.

Conclusion:

While there is significant debate about whether these actions meet the strict legal threshold of genocide, based on the facts of mass killings, displacement, and systemic harm, it can be argued that these events align with the definition of genocide under the "in part" criterion, particularly as they relate to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. Therefore, from a factual standpoint, yes, Gaza and the West Bank exhibit patterns that are consistent with genocide.


My main issue with these definitions is that every war in the history of warfare fits this criteria. From this, it can be concluded that every war is a genocide and both sides are guilty - I'm not a fan of this interpretation because if every war is a genocide, we lose the ability to differentiate between actions conducted in war. Additionally, if both sides are guilty then nothing means anything. For example, the genocide carried out by the national socialist German regime would be considered no different than, for example, the Spanish-American war of 1898.

My main idea is that war is nasty, and will never not be nasty - however, there are degrees of nastiness and it is extremely important to distinguish between those degrees, otherwise if this distinction is lost, if we as humans lose our ability for reason, then every war becomes a war of annihilation, and humanity is doomed.

This post was edited by El1te on Nov 13 2024 03:13pm
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