the post you originally quoted was clear in it's message, both sides take the same amount of corporate lobbying overall. and corporate lobbying is what decides the meat and potatoes in the actual legislation.

sure a grassroots movement can get something started, then the legislators draft it to be in compliance with corporate american and we all get screwed.

both sides are equally bought, neither is "your side". you're just a pawn in a game of pieces that have actual value.

when i run down my ideological beliefs i'm nearly 50-50 on both sides, and i agree with the priority of both sides almost never. im cool with trans rights, i just dont think they matter in the grand scheme hardly at all. i'm cool with guns rights, i just don't think a hardline stance helps anyone. etc etc etc

but sure keep voting down the line for people that bring you next to nothing, while telling yourself you have the moral victory to satiate your utter lack of legislative victories.

simple question: what has any politician done in a worthwhile fashion for you from the democratic party in the last 10 years?

the only "good" thing Obama did was Obamacare which turned out to be a seriously shortsighted move that the lobbies ruined on the legislative floor. gay marriage? thanks scotus. banning an obscure nato ammo? bravo....

a democratic potus couldnt get shit done even with a democratic mandate. until they change campaign finance neither party is better, they're employees of corporations. both sides, equally.

You can certainly find Republicans who believe some crazy things, but we're talking about an ENTIRE party (sans Manchin) who bought into a completely ludicrous conspiracy theory for years of earth time.

Damn it. I thought r/enlightenedcentrism would be entertaining but it was very disappointing

Yeah because Republicans didnt elect the guy who kept the birther thing going as long as he could.

im sorry i brought substance rather than what you are used to from politics, entertainment.

Obamacare legitimately helped me for a few years, and it helped tons of poorer people and I got to see some of the results where I volunteered.

You think the scotus case wouldnt have happened if Obama hadnt stopped enforcing doma, or democrats hadnt legalized it in several states beforehand? Neither side is perfect, but the examples you gave are actually great examples that make my point.

Ive been criticizing democrats forever for taking corporate money and being spineless. I think youve forgotten who you are talking to honestly...

says the person who can't even feed himself without the support of state subsidy or mommy-in-law. you also got intellectually shredded by a flat-earther lmfao

Obama was openly against gay marriage, when it was popular, to get votes. bravo on turning around when the public did, and in turn when the corporations could grab cash selling "pride products". pride month is almost as nauseating as Christmas season now.

it's easy to see only your points when you crop out most of the picture.

it's great Obamacare helped you, the grocery store i work at put everyone to 39 hours. i never said they only serve up complete shit, more like sugar coated shit nuggets.

squabbling over policy is fun and all, but it doesnt matter at all until the money is removed from politics. that's why neither side is better. both are complicit.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 7 2019 10:55am

That's not true. And listing examples of Democrats believing in falsehoods or lying explicitly doesn't actually counter my point, because I didn't say they never lie.

Then the grocery store didn't read the law because federal full time has always been 32 hours afaik

Yeah, they all take corporate money and can be turds. They all play the political calculus. That doesn't make them equal because, shocker, the only ones making any kind of push for solving that money problem are coming from one side of the aisle. Oh, and Republicans policy is to actively remove pretty much all campaign finance laws.

" they both do it so theyre equal" vs "they both do it, but Rob does it every day and Dennis does it once on Saturday".

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Nov 7 2019 11:07am