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Jul 23 2018 09:41am
Quote (WNxIrvine @ Jul 23 2018 09:40am)
Eventually it's gonna hit you like a tonne of bricks that nobody on this entire planet is forcing the US to spend so much money on "defense" but themselves.



I'm talking the money we float at the UN and at NATO. There's 193 countries in the UN, yet the US pays 22% of it's upkeep.

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Jul 23 2018 01:27pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 23 2018 03:30pm)
Well, the excessive american spending on its military also serves as a deterrent: everyone, even Russia and China, but also middle powers like egypt, iran or saudi-arabia know that the United States would be capable of outright flattening them if they mess with the current, american-led world order. We cant really quanitfy the extend of this effect, and we dont know the costs a more unstable world order would cause.

For example, imagine if Iran with Russian backup decides to block the street of Hormus without being provoked, just because they can - or imagine Egypt blocking the Suez canal in an attempt at blackmailing the industrialized world - moves like that could throw the entire world economy into chaos; and would make costly wars much more likely.

I personally believe that the US could cut their 600bn defense budget down to at least 400bn without harming their hegemony, so yes, their spending is excessive. But lets not pretend like any dollar spent on defense beyond what's necessary to defend the homeland itself is automatically wasted.


I agree. The West and countries like the former satellite states and South Korea really take American military protection for granted. There has been an unfair anti-american sentiment in the West since the Iraq war, and it's not just from people of a Muslim background like the stupid french guy that frequents here.

This post was edited by dro94 on Jul 23 2018 01:27pm
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Jul 23 2018 01:28pm
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I'm talking the money we float at the UN and at NATO. There's 193 countries in the UN, yet the US pays 22% of it's upkeep.


The United States account for around 24% of the world's GDP.
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Jul 23 2018 01:42pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 23 Jul 2018 08:02)
It's probably right. The combined defense budget of the UK, France, Germany and Italy is $180bn, while Russia only has $66bn according to this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

Western Europe also has a much larger industrial base and a much higher population than Russia. And Russia is pretty much the only country that would remotely be a candidate for a conventional mlitary attack on Europe.

sounds like its time to strengthen the US military by means other than spending tons of money in europe and elsewhere for defense.

i mean, we’d get yelled at by the rest of world for doing for that too but whatever.
Quote (dro94 @ 23 Jul 2018 15:27)
I agree. The West and countries like the former satellite states and South Korea really take American military protection for granted. There has been an unfair anti-american sentiment in the West since the Iraq war, and it's not just from people of a Muslim background like the stupid french guy that frequents here.

great post my friend!
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Jul 23 2018 05:18pm
So the spanish main right party, PP, has elected Pablo Casado as their successor to Rajoy, after he won the second round in the primaries 57 to 43 over Rajoy's right hand Soraya Saenz de Santamaría.

It's clearly a shift towards the right, with Casado expressing the desire of an increase in economically liberal policies. He promises to have no tolerance with separatists, promising to create stricter laws regarding the issue, if he ever becomes president of Spain, and vows to defend and promote a unionist spirit and agenda. While not a conservative himself, he has brought christian conservatives into his team over the last two weeks, and now promises to defend "life and family values".... personally I don't think he will do too much about this though, since the majority of the population is way past catholic conservative political practices ( for instance, when Rajoy tried to introduce stricter laws regarding abortion, he faced such a backlash that he had to remove his law proposal, despite having absolute parliamentary majority at the time), plus his team includes a few gay men. Regarding the EU, he supports greater free trade and integration, and has so far remained neutral towards immigration matters, which aren't really a hot topic here in Spain (despite us being the 5th country with the most asylum petitions) as immigrants here are generally well integrated.

I believe this is the end of Rajoy-ism (stability above all things, avoid confrontations as much as possible, try to keep things as they are, moderate economically liberal policies, appeasement over conflict, etc), and somewhat of a return to Aznar-ism (hard economically liberal policies, strong unionist agenda, controversial and politically risky moves and reforms, etc). I don't think he'll ever become president, because he antagonizes moderate voters, but as leader of PP, he will surely be a relevant part of spanish politics. I think it's a wrong move for PP to shift further right, because there aren't many voters to gain there. They'll likely recover some of the few voters that were planning to leave towards the alt-right party VOX, but no polls ever gave this party more than 0-2 seats in parliament, so it's not like they have much to gain there.

My main problem with this guy is that he has shapeshifted his ideals over time, and also climbed the political ladder inside his party by ass kissing and back stabbing. I really don't trust him, and he'll likely be a populist that will adjust his agenda to whatever goes in his personal favour.

It will be hard to see agreements between PP and PSOE with Casado in charge. Let's see what the centrist C's does, and which party they side with if they ever have to form a coalition with one of them.
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Jul 23 2018 05:20pm
Quote (Ghot @ 23 Jul 2018 17:41)
I'm talking the money we float at the UN and at NATO. There's 193 countries in the UN, yet the US pays 22% of it's upkeep.


The money spent on the UN is reasonable. I'm pretty sure that NATO will eventually come to an end though.
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Jul 23 2018 05:33pm
Maybe it's time to rework the formulae used in these calculations...













I especially love the "peacekeeping" budget. The US needs the UN's peacekeeping the least and pays the most.

Even the general budget is whacked IMO. Again, the US benefits the least from the UN's services, but we still pay the most. Also something is wrong with the calculations for China.




/e

Quote (zarkadon @ Jul 23 2018 07:20pm)
The money spent on the UN is reasonable. I'm pretty sure that NATO will eventually come to an end though.


I'm sure it is, if you are not the US. ^^

I mean that we now have an EU yet the UN budget is still calculated for each individual country in the EU. Maybe the US should decide to calculate our fair share by the GDP of each of the 50 states, separately.


China is slowly subsuming all the little countries near the South China Sea, yet still their share is figured for each country individually.




/ee I mean how do you think people would feel if we calculated interest rates for credit cards and home loans like that?

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Jul 23 2018 05:47pm
Quote (Ghot @ 24 Jul 2018 00:33)
Maybe it's time to rework the formulae used in these calculations...
https://i.imgur.com/foJrsJ1.png
https://i.imgur.com/z7uM0Tb.png
I especially love the "peacekeeping" budget. The US needs the UN's peacekeeping the least and pays the most.
Even the general budget is whacked IMO. Again, the US benefits the least from the UN's services, but we still pay the most. Also something is wrong with the calculations for China.
/e
I'm sure it is, if you are not the US. ^^
I mean that we now have an EU yet the UN budget is still calculated for each individual country in the EU. Maybe the US should decide to calculate our fair share by the GDP of each of the 50 states, separately.
China is slowly subsuming all the little countries near the South China Sea, yet still their share is figured for each country individually.


please make a "united nations news" for this
and yes it's time to rework, get out of international scene, face the consequences, PLEASE.
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Jul 23 2018 11:29pm
Brits natural brutality exposed ^_^

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Jul 24 2018 12:02am
Quote (Ghot @ Jul 24 2018 12:33am)
Maybe it's time to rework the formulae used in these calculations...



https://i.imgur.com/foJrsJ1.png



https://i.imgur.com/z7uM0Tb.png





I especially love the "peacekeeping" budget. The US needs the UN's peacekeeping the least and pays the most.

Even the general budget is whacked IMO. Again, the US benefits the least from the UN's services, but we still pay the most. Also something is wrong with the calculations for China.




/e



I'm sure it is, if you are not the US. ^^

I mean that we now have an EU yet the UN budget is still calculated for each individual country in the EU. Maybe the US should decide to calculate our fair share by the GDP of each of the 50 states, separately.


China is slowly subsuming all the little countries near the South China Sea, yet still their share is figured for each country individually.




/ee I mean how do you think people would feel if we calculated interest rates for credit cards and home loans like that?


Silly old formulae like the size of a country's economy.
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