Quote (majorblood @ 23 Jun 2017 04:55)
How do you think his religious liberty executive order makes discrimination against gay Americans easier?
What actions do you believe someone must previously commit that justifies raiding their house once they say something mean online?
not so fast, kid. first link me the source for your claim that "someone got raided for calling another dude gay"... i really want to see who wrote that, it's funny and shows how real fake news work...
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 23 Jun 2017 05:18)
the first quote is from the article headline. I really dont think that the journalist who wrote that paid attention to the subtle difference the singular or plural would make in that case. in particular since the whole raid fits perfectly into the narrative that the süddeutsche believes in and wants to spread. (for the non-germans: the "süddeutsche zeitung" is the german equivalent of the new york times...)
the second quote could be read the way you do, as indicating that "suggesting to them to hang themselves" was one among several actionable comments the suspect posted. but it can also be read in the line of "he posted several bad comments, and the one where he suggested to them to hang themselves was the one where he crossed the line", which would imply that this comment was the main reason for the raid of his home.
fact is, we dont know for sure what/how much "bad bad stuff" he posted. the article that you linked contains no conclusive proof one way or the other. you stated that his comment being just "one thing among others" was asserted by the article, which is wrong. I overinterpreted the article a bit too much in my desired direction and read it as asserting that his hang themselves comment was the only reason for the raid. which is also wrong. we simply dont know for sure, and the article is ambiguous enough to be read either way.
here we go with the fake news insinuations just because we don't like the content... it's almost like i've seen that before somewhere. i'm curious, what overarching narrative does the sz pursue in your opinion that these raids "fit into"?
anyway, you can try to blame lazy journalism and coincidentally consistent but wrong formulations all you want, but the simple fact is that the article strongly suggests that there was more that "just" telling gay ppl to "hang themselves". and no, the article is not ambiguous in that regard at all - if it is accurate, then there is more. what exactly that is obviously hasn't been disclosed as of yet and therefore hasn't been mentioned in the article, a fact i'm glad to see we both obviously had no trouble reading and understanding.
that, however, leads me to my second major argument again - the one that you conveniently dodged completely: my version is also STRONGLY supported by common sense, the simple FACT that there have NOT been tens of thousands of people who were raided for just a random homophobic comment.
i mean, you can't possibly be desperate enough to claim that one dude in munich was the only one who made a tasteless homophobic comment in germany, right? so why him? was he the first in a long list and there were no funds for more than 36 raids? did he make such a comment about the police chief's brother?
i mean... "come on" - i know it can be hard to admit it, but please don't dig yourself deeper into that hole, don't insult your own intelligence like that...
This post was edited by fender on Jun 22 2017 11:03pm