funny how 'left-wing twitter' is at least half, probably even a majority of american voters:


https://news.gallup.com/poll/190355/opposition-fracking-mounts.aspx

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fracking-ban-polling_n_5d701602e4b09bbc9ef95ef9?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmRlLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMSzvoVKAOxnuT8HzjiGkMshYnvV371GfUxxBxspmFIvMLDzLTRON6wxYsCgd_FLDZnADK5cWG4Bw52zX4GUNQQQZDViZcTMpVuQLsoqBlAjWEpI8Iskmbzwl2k_ueTva30wWhrqwOxXFKoS7qVRq5S_UKPtmpu57FcSBzkGSPWU

https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/pa-poll-shows-support-for-a-fracking-ban-but-also-some-support-for-natural-gas-drilling-in-state/Content?oid=16660198

https://www.isidewith.com/poll/384359234


it's more like the latest installment of 'how the electoral college and legal corruption in politics defy the will of the people in america'.

banning "fracking" is like banning "GMOs"

fracking takes place at different depths, for different substances, in different areas with more or less compromised water tables, with different ranges of harmful to benign chemicals. and its a very job rich industry in many places with little to no job prospects.

if i was potus i wouldnt ban fracking in a reactionary way either, i'd try to lean on Oklahoma to stop destroying their own water table and causing earthquakes while trying to avoid instances like they had in Nebraska with dumping fracking waste into large aquifers. as well as trying to get more access to the secret formulas they use in fracking cocktails for environmental agencies.

This is why Democrats lose. They look at polls as if they apply to every segment of the country. They can't abide a pro-life politician, even though it's a fairly popular position. They think gun control is a slam dunk politically because a majority supports some vague notion of it.

Biden throwing cold water on banning fracking is good politics because far-left liberals in NY and CA don't vote in PA. And running up the popular vote is a participation trophy, as Hillary learned.

yes, that's why i said this is biden pandering to the electoral college and his business partners, and not him defying "left-wing twitter" - because unlike what you want to make it sound like, it's NOT some fringe radical group that opposes this destructive practice, but actually most americans.

yet another example of how the EC directly undermines the will of the american people, how candidates decide policy to win comparatively small numbers of voters in contested states, because the country is divided enough (and both party establishments focus on donor class interests, so neither has to fear the other one doing the right thing for the people) to get them their votes in solid states anyway.

i'm not saying this is an electorally dumb move, it probably isn't. what i'm contesting is the notion that what he doing is 'not pandering to some fringe leftists', when in reality he IS very much pandering to an ACTUAL minority.

covid lockdowns really expose why you dont want your state ruled by coastal population masses. NYC type regulation just isnt needed in Tennessee. and even on a more local level i live in wisconsin, we were far more lax than illinois, and more strict than the UP, which was less strict than mainland MI. this is the reason your state votes as a state. this is the reason you don't want to be choked out by Ca, NY, etc.

this mentality generally leads to hyperbolic "you just want state autonomy so u can legalize abortion" or other stupid shit. its not about that, state's rights and the electoral college conversations are related but separate.

Another example is polling on "medicare for all". If the term is just thrown out there and polled, it has majority support. But the more specific the poll question, the more clear it becomes that people actually want something like "medicare for all who want it" rather than "full-blown socialized medicine". Similarly, support goes down quickly when the question takes realistic costs into account: "would you support single payer healthcare, even if it means raising taxes on the middle class?"

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 10 2020 11:44am

They hates Obamacare and loved the Affordable Care Act.

A bunch of fucking geniuses.

Medicare sucks also. But better than marketplace plans with no benefits outside PCP.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 10 2020 11:48am

it's typical liberal double speak. they reference vaguely worded polls, while also making fun of conservatives for being low information. so the same polls the conservatives dont even know they're agreeing to make them both stupid and a stat the liberals can spew. they'll say "look at these idiots who said they hate obama care but love the ACA" then also spew out a govt healthcare poll as if it's not flawed lol.

i love how this is a textbook example of a candidate pandering to a group that is only so relevant thanks to the electoral college (and legalised bribery tbf), and you just ignore that aspect entirely. you're in full agreement with ice mage's "it's smart politics because it addresses crucial swing states" point - but you can't see how that directly contradicts your pro EC narrative of the other thread, lol.

This post was edited by fender on Jul 10 2020 11:54am

Good segway to my favorite youtube video of all time: