Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 16 2015 03:05pm)

It really is, C.S. Lewis is the man.

I'm done arguing here. There seems to be two tiers of agnostic/atheists here. People like Voyaging, Skinned, Gastly and a few others i might have missed that we share disagreements with but can have mutual respect and there's the latter group which really has no interest in respectful honest discussion. This latter more vocal group is really dampening my interest in engaging on Pard

Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 16 2015 01:53pm)

Wtf are you talking about? Your idiotic points of view stems from not knowing what Scriptures says. There is no arbitrary standards and you are the one who doesn't understand reason/logic.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 16 Aug 2015 14:05)

It really is, C.S. Lewis is the man.

I'm done arguing here. There seems to be two tiers of agnostic/atheists here. People like Voyaging, Skinned, Gastly and a few others i might have missed that we share disagreements with but can have mutual respect and there's the latter group which really has no interest in respectful honest discussion. This latter more vocal group is really dampening my interest in engaging on Pard

Quote (Devil_kin @ Aug 16 2015 02:56pm)

there are a lot of denominations which interpret and teach the scripture differently though. not all (or even many) of them have the right to call themselves christians but some do for sure.

i agree that people like thesnipa shouldn't call themselves christians anyway. and i definitely wouldn't say mormons or witnesses have the right to call themselves christians, that's a pretty dumb argument.

Quote (Devil_kin @ Aug 16 2015 01:12pm)

you engage in the divisive bickering here just like everyone else m8

Quote (IceMage @ Aug 16 2015 03:10pm)

Well, that took a while. Why do I always have to coax you into responding with a legitimate argument?

The standards are not arbitrary, they are formed from the text. From Biblical exegesis, we know that Christ proclaimed Himself the son of God, He died on the cross, He rose from the dead. Through reasoning and scriptural evidence we can affirm He is not a separate God, but one of the three persons of the same God.

I think this is one of the main problems atheists take issue with. Biblical exegesis is not cut and dry. You have to really dive into the text to get the true meaning out of it.

I only argued from the "majority believe" standpoint when atheists brought it up. I really don't care what the majority of Christians believe... the proof is in the Bible.

You are basically completely ignorant of what the Bible teaches, beyond what you've heard on the internet, and you have never looked into the text for explanation. Either give me a good argument that Mormonism is what the Bible taught, or that Universalism is what the Bible taught, or that the nondeity of Christ is what the Bible taught, or take a hike.

I've never studied Islam so I can't comment on what it means to be a true Muslim. Perhaps you could be as wise as I am towards faiths I don't understand, and withhold judgement?

Quote (IceMage @ 16 Aug 2015 14:16)

Why don't Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses have the right to call themselves Christians?

They don't because there is a basic standard for being a Christian, the most basic level being an acceptance of the Trinity.

Quote (Devil_kin @ Aug 16 2015 03:36pm)

ye, there are essentials to being christian and it's nowhere near as relative as people are claiming it to be. i think duff's point could be better used by talking about separate yet legitimate denominations of christianity, but i don't know much about the individual churches to contribute to that.

Quote (duffman316 @ Aug 16 2015 03:38pm)

how do you respond to a protestant that tells you roman catholics aren't christian?

Quote (duffman316 @ 16 Aug 2015 14:38)

how do you respond to a protestant that tells you roman catholics aren't christian?

Quote (ofthevoid @ 16 Aug 2015 14:16)

It's hard not to, considering the barrage of attacks Christianity here faces for really no apparent reason in my opinion. I try to stay away but i'm a mere sinful human not a saint :P it's hard to keep away when someone is attacking something i hold so dearly.

You're a decent guy though i would consider you one of the first group i mentioned.

Quote (Devil_kin @ Aug 16 2015 03:45pm)

i call them big silly billies