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I am just lowering tensions.

The situation is more complex than what you describe.
You say it looks like a genocide.. at 7/10 the Israelis absolutely experienced genocide. If that’s not war I don’t know what is.
Gaza is Israel’s enemy. The tactic that Gaza using is to shoot and fire from their daycares and schools to Israel’s daycares and schools and when you try to retaliate… people are dying. Now you can claim that more could be done to protect those individuals but I must say as an Israeli , this whole concept of “sacrifice your troops to ensure minimum casualties to uninvolved” is crazy. I do understand why it looks bad from outside but you have to consider -
A. Army service in Israel is obligatory
B. Israel is a small country. Those troops are brothers, sisters, fathers… in every family. The entire public is participating and contributes its part. The public cannot tolerant that.

And of course they can surrender. I don’t understand your claim.
one of the hardest tasks Israel is facing today is how to continue fighting the Palestinianism while ensuring we are not lost in values.

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on Oct 31 2024 09:07am

why are jews so violent

the Torah is the most violent book out of all the major religions

Yes 7/10 was an atrocity and the guilty parties should be punished. No doubt. The retaliation and what is going now is also an atrocity and the guilty should likewise be put on trial.
If a criminal, or terrorist or school shooter, or murderer or whatever is shooting and hiding in a classroom with children and women hostages and your method to neutralise them is to throw in a handgrenade and kill everyone inside you’re guilty. The ends doesn’t justify the means and Israel has in this conflict killed a small football stadium of kids.
They are fighting against Israel for some reason right? What would change if they surrender?

Hamas is not a kid that you send into a room.
They are murderous thugs who are willing to sacrifice their own.
From where I see it… its their problem
Nothing would change until from the river to the sea Palestine will be cleansed from jews

See, thats the problem.
Hamas are not aliens. They are Palestinians and they represent them.
You are talking like Hamas took Gaza in captive. There is nothing farther from the truth.
They are fighting against Israel for a reason, no doubt about that. They say it openly.. they are fighting to end their suffering which they blame Israel for and so they want to end Israel.
I offer a different approach. I offer them - give up your destructive ideology wanting to kill me and my family, acknowledge that you will no longer be a refugee and go build something for yourself. That’s what they’ll get when they surrender.

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on Oct 31 2024 02:50pm

Literally the first thing Hamas did when they came to power in Gaza in 2007 was to establish a dictatorship, with suspended elections, no more free press or free speech, etc.

Today, we have an entire generation of radicalized young Palestinians who grew up on Hamas propaganda.
That being said, Hamas seems to enjoy genuine support from a substantial share of Gaza's population.



Most historic examples of successful freedom fighters don't involve genocidal ambitions toward the oppressor.


The Palestinians could have had this package on multiple occasions and always turned it down.

Some people claim that Hamas wants to eradicate Israel. I laugh at this notion because they are essentially a rag-tag street gang with rpgs and aks. No one in pard can debate in good faith that Hamas has the military means to achieve this goal.
Israelis eradicating (what was the word again?) hamastinians, however, would be a walk in the park:

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich called Sunday for Israel to effectively annex the West Bank and Gaza Strip, calling for the establishment of new settlements deep inside Palestinian areas and the departure of Arabs harbouring nationalist aspirations.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-urges-ramping-up-west-bank-gaza-settlements-pushing-palestinians-out/

And yall wonder why I call them freedom fighters. I can respect anyone willing to die for their soil, regardless of ideology. England only ever sat down at the negotiating table once the IRA started targeting the banking institutions.

they are indeed freedom fighters. im tired of seeing children and babies with their heads or limbs blown off every fucking day for a year straight. the israeli barbarism has got to stop