“Winning isn’t about expansion—it’s about surrender, raising the white flag, accepting defeat, and agreeing to terms that meet our security needs.

Israel expanded only through defensive wars we did not initiate, and these were wars against countries, not terrorist organizations.

The West Bank was taken from Jordan, the Golan Heights from Syria, and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt. We returned the Sinai for peace, which shows we have no ambition to expand; we simply want peace and stability.”

Israeli military is murdering too many civilians for any official surrender. You normally surrender for something. There's nothing to surrender for. Which is why a 2 state solution is the only viable option, which Israel is against.
The right to return, is ironically the same right upon which israel is founded. This you will then deny another group of people that was displaced in 1948 by zionist paramilitaries and the israeli military.

Gaza won't be resettled...Well tell that to israeli settler movements that are currently waiting to settle. Pretty well documented that these groups exists and have strong ties to the current government.

There's no such thing as legal or illegal under international law. World powers who can back their actions with force and economic clout set their own rules. Everything else is just pretense and farce. Color revolutions are legal, secession referendums are illegal. Populist coups are illegal, a vote after executing the opposition is legal.
Any number of countries can declare a thing to be legal or illegal, it doesn't have any legal impact, not if its unenforceable, if powers like America defend it and nobody can challenge them.

Its a similar precept for American law. Supreme court justices are just nine old farts wearing funny robes. Any power they hold only comes from our willingness as a society to abide by a unified code of law. Its binding only insofar as it can be forced. If society breaks down, if a civil war erupts, it doesn't matter what Justice Taney demands of Abraham Lincoln.

And America's willingness to embrace settlements comes down to fickle democratic whims, who wins which election. Most of the rest of the world would betray the Palestinians at the drop of a hat were it any bit expedient, no posturing world powers actually care about them.

The occupation is illegal under article 49 of the four geneva conventions of 1949 and israel is a signatory of the same. So they are in breach of what they themselves consider international law. More countries, incl the US and rest of the West should call that out in my opinion and failure to adhere to this law should have strong non-military consequences otherwise you're correct that then the law is just a useless piece of paper without any power.

I dont remember that there was a trial, who was the previous owner?

1. Israeli military murdering.. it’s a war. People die in wars. The second part of the sentence about not being able to officially surrender makes no sense.
2. Israel has immigration laws. Like every normal country. Palestinians are not part of Israel and so don’t have that “right”. They do present it as an undeniable right while in reality, in previous world’s conflict, there is not a single precedence of a hostile minority being implemented into hostile majority.. it’s lunacy. And you say for yourself , two states solution. So they should very much drop that claim for the “right to return”.
3. Yes the settlers are part of the Israeli political landscape and have some support in the public. Far right is always up when the nation is being attacked.. it’s the same all over the world. Myself do not support them and I can grantee 100% that there will be no resettling in either Gaza or Lebanon.

I’m all for playing “chicken” with the Palestinians. Two states solution while they drop their refugee claims and ensure me living in peace. Let’s try that.

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on Oct 31 2024 12:54am

Trump told Netanyahu he wants ceasefire in Gaza by the time he wins
According to the former US official, Trump's pitch to Netanyahu was not explicit, and he may perhaps support "residual" IOF activities in Gaza as long as the war has formally ended.
Earlier this month, two top Israeli officials told Israeli media that they were concerned by Trump's repeated demands to end the aggression, believing that failure to do so may lead to a clash if the former US president wins next week's election and returns.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/trump-told-netanyahu-he-wants-ceasefire-in-gaza-by-the-time

Yes, I know its propaganda, but I still find it interesting how much of a wildcard the orange man actually is. The entire world is now speculating what he's going to do in regards to the Ukraine/Russia and Israel/Shia wars. No one is certain how it's going to play out, but I'm fairly confident that the status quo will change and probably in a drastic manner.

So Israel is entitled to a trial but not the 750,000 arabs they displaced in 1948? Some of those would be the previous Owners.






1) War ... It looks like genocide with only one clear outcome. There's no need for Israel to kill so many women and kids unless they have an ulterior motive. In respect to surrender people usually fight and die for something, if they have nothing to gain from surrending why would they surrender?
2) I'm not denying Israel right to exist and my argument for right to return is for the now illegally occupied areas israel has taken since 1948 as part of a 2 state solution Israel don't have to allow immigration from unwanted people, but neither should they then interfer and hinder the Palestinian state their rights to freedom.
3) You cannot make such guarantees when illegal settles already exist today. It seem too obvious that Israel is eyeing everything from the river to the sea.

Are you an American?

I'm from Denmark, not sure why that matters