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Jul 9 2020 08:02pm
Quote (fuzzy159 @ 10 Jul 2020 02:48)
Yeah an old white racist with dementia is a bulletproof candidate.


sure has worked wonders in 2016.
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Jul 9 2020 08:04pm
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Yeah an old white racist with dementia is a bulletproof candidate.


Trump has done so many racist things bidens little r 90s racism is super dull in comparison. Similarly Trump can barely stay on subject on his most lucid days and hes had the stage for 4 years.
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Trump has done so many racist things bidens little r 90s racism is super dull in comparison. Similarly Trump can barely stay on subject on his most lucid days and hes had the stage for 4 years.


yep. biden is a terrible candidate with many flaws:

- declining mental capabilities
- shitty political record
- creepy behaviour towards women
- questionable history in regards to race relations
- self-dealing and corruption for his buddies and family

the list goes on... BUT trump has him easily covered in literally every single department. any trump supporter with just the tiniest bit of self-awareness would have to stfu completely. but since integrity and standards obviously don't exist in the cult's vocabulary, they predictably won't...

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Jul 9 2020 08:25pm
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Trump has done so many racist things bidens little r 90s racism is super dull in comparison. Similarly Trump can barely stay on subject on his most lucid days and hes had the stage for 4 years.

President Trump never wielded political power to pass legislation that was aimed at locking up minority men in mass numbers and permanently separating thousands of minority families as a result. President Trump never went and bragged about being the “chief writer” of said legislation either. Senator Biden did though, and he was so, so proud of his legislative “accomplishment”

https://grabien.com/story.php?id=237407

President Trump did pass the First Step Act aimed at undoing some of the horrid damage that Biden’s legislation wrecked on our fellow Americans. A tremendous achievement given the legislative resistance he has faced from nearly all (D) members of congress and many (Rino) members as well

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Quote (IceMage @ 10 Jul 2020 00:24)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/paloma/the-trailer/2020/07/07/the-trailer-who-s-afraid-of-joe-biden/5f00a17d602ff1080719519b/?_=ddid-2-1594158300&fbclid=IwAR3MFmCFgLE0WwIN6sSENApWltolH0bIdwijqS4af-EWaMdqKXh-rKg3jvA

It's kind of hilarious in a way... as much as right-wingers pretend the Democrats are radical SJW socialists... they nominated a boring moderate white guy. He's not an easy guy to attack.


He's a boring and thoroughly mediocre figure. His race and gender surely play a role, but that's not the only reason.

Another important factor is simply that too much shit is going on right now which is just far more important. Covid and the george floyd protests, coupled with Biden being almost completely absent from the public, make it incredibly hard for any attack ads or campaign message about Biden to get through.


I've said this before and I'll repeat it: Biden is an awful candidate by objective standards, and under normal circumstances, Trump would have wiped the floor with him. The Democrats got unbelievably lucky that covid destroyed Trump's strongest reelection argument (the economy) and brutally exposed his biggest weaknesses. Biden would have been awful at knocking down a Trump who's in a stable position - but Biden is the perfect candidate to sit on the sidelines and do nothing while Trump self-destructs after his presidency was sent into a downward spiral by huge external shocks.
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Jul 9 2020 10:22pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 9 2020 10:04pm)
Trump has done so many racist things bidens little r 90s racism is super dull in comparison. Similarly Trump can barely stay on subject on his most lucid days and hes had the stage for 4 years.


Literally the opposite of reality
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Jul 10 2020 07:45am
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He's a boring and thoroughly mediocre figure. His race and gender surely play a role, but that's not the only reason.

Another important factor is simply that too much shit is going on right now which is just far more important. Covid and the george floyd protests, coupled with Biden being almost completely absent from the public, make it incredibly hard for any attack ads or campaign message about Biden to get through.


I've said this before and I'll repeat it: Biden is an awful candidate by objective standards, and under normal circumstances, Trump would have wiped the floor with him. The Democrats got unbelievably lucky that covid destroyed Trump's strongest reelection argument (the economy) and brutally exposed his biggest weaknesses. Biden would have been awful at knocking down a Trump who's in a stable position - but Biden is the perfect candidate to sit on the sidelines and do nothing while Trump self-destructs after his presidency was sent into a downward spiral by huge external shocks.


I don't agree at all that Biden is an awful candidate. Sure, he's flawed, but he appeals to the sort of voters needed to win the electoral college. If what you're saying is that Biden benefits because Trump finally got tested as president and failed on multiple fronts, I agree. But that's not some fluke... it would've been unfortunate had Trump coasted to re-election simply because he inherited a good economy, revved it up with the tax cuts, and had no major crises to deal with during his first term. Trump could've easily coasted to re-election by responding adequately to COVID-19 and the protests... but he's incapable of competent and uniting leadership.

Out of curiosity, who would've been the best candidate in the Democratic field of people who ran? Trump supporters typically have this naive view that the candidates most palatable to them are the best.
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Jul 10 2020 07:50am
In the latest installment of "Biden follows sound political advice and refuses to pander to left-wing twitter":

https://twitter.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1281392364486103041

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📢Noteworthy: @JoeBiden defends fracking. "Well, fracking is not going to be on the chopping block," he tells @chelseastrub
Sanders, Warren, Harris, Steyer, Booker all wanted to ban fracking.
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Jul 10 2020 07:57am
Quote (IceMage @ 10 Jul 2020 15:45)
I don't agree at all that Biden is an awful candidate. Sure, he's flawed, but he appeals to the sort of voters needed to win the electoral college. If what you're saying is that Biden benefits because Trump finally got tested as president and failed on multiple fronts, I agree. But that's not some fluke... it would've been unfortunate had Trump coasted to re-election simply because he inherited a good economy, revved it up with the tax cuts, and had no major crises to deal with during his first term. Trump could've easily coasted to re-election by responding adequately to COVID-19 and the protests... but he's incapable of competent and uniting leadership.

Out of curiosity, who would've been the best candidate in the Democratic field of people who ran? Trump supporters typically have this naive view that the candidates most palatable to them are the best.


Biden. He's an awful candidate in my opinion, but the rest of this year's Democratic field was god-awful. You know who would have been a good candidate? "Labor Bernie" from 2016. ("Woke Bernie" from 2020 was obviously a failure.)

Biden does appeal to the pivotal swing voters in the swing states, yes, but he doesnt energize his base at all. The number of persuadable voters shrinks from cycle to cycle, and Democrats need solid turnout in places like Philly/Detroit/Miami to win PA/MI/FL. Also note all the polls from pre-covid showing that Trump remained very popular among Obama-Trump voters, far more popular than any Dem canddiate, Biden included. (This might look different now because Trump has lost so much ground all across the board.) A Biden who's clearly way past his peak would not have persuaded these folks to come back in significant numbers.

You're definitely right that it would have been a bit too much if Trump's lucky streak had continued until after the election. On the other hand, it is definitely unlucky that he ran into not just any crisis, but the biggest crisis the country had to face in a century; and in an election year no less. A president Clinton would have handled the technocratic side of the pandemic response better, but she too would struggle a fuckton right now, and be a big underdog for reelection. Can you imagine the outcry from Republican officeholders and voters if president Clinton had ordered nationwide shutdowns and compulsory mask wearing, paired with the economy going down the drain?

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