...you will NOT find Christianity in any of the 4 Gospels . This is one reason you should not be speaking to the definition .

Wait, so a Christian is not, generally speaking, someone who believes in Jesus' teachings and believes Jesus was the son of God, died for our sins on the cross, and was resurrected?

This post was edited by ThatAlex on Aug 16 2015 01:54pm

was this not clear enough?



i'll elaborate

you've established arbitrary standards for what it means to be a christian
there is no logical argument nor evidence you can provide to prove your standards are correct - you cannot prove that mormon's aren't christian
fyi if you use the phrase "majority believe" to argue your point it's already logically flawed

the flaw in your questions is that you've assumed i must have some alternative standard of what a christian is or isn't in order to reject your standard of what it means to be a christian
i don't need an alternative, your arguments for your standards cannot stand on their own merits

your claims are no less ridiculous than some sunni's who claim shia's aren't muslim

there are a lot of denominations which interpret and teach the scripture differently though. not all (or even many) of them have the right to call themselves christians but some do for sure.

i agree that people like thesnipa shouldn't call themselves christians anyway. and i definitely wouldn't say mormons or witnesses have the right to call themselves christians, that's a pretty dumb argument.

This is a good read:

No group which denies the Trinity is a Christian group.

Mormonism has suspect theology. It can be considered polytheistic. It does not believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. It also seeks to add revelation to the word of God, from a man who lived hundreds and hundreds of years after Jesus lived.

the existence of snipa and el shadday contradict your claims

i already know what your response is going to be - "they aren't real christians" if you've got something besides that feel free to offer it or accept that you're wrong - there is no consensus about what christianity is on this sf amongst christians

This post was edited by duffman316 on Aug 16 2015 02:01pm

...don't " wait " me boy . You referenced the Gospel of John to help you define Christianity when in fact you will only find Christianity in the books Romans through Philemon .

It really is, C.S. Lewis is the man.

I'm done arguing here. There seems to be two tiers of agnostic/atheists here. People like Voyaging, Skinned, Gastly and a few others i might have missed that we share disagreements with but can have mutual respect and there's the latter group which really has no interest in respectful honest discussion. This latter more vocal group is really dampening my interest in engaging on Pard

Well, that took a while. Why do I always have to coax you into responding with a legitimate argument?

The standards are not arbitrary, they are formed from the text. From Biblical exegesis, we know that Christ proclaimed Himself the son of God, He died on the cross, He rose from the dead. Through reasoning and scriptural evidence we can affirm He is not a separate God, but one of the three persons of the same God.

I think this is one of the main problems atheists take issue with. Biblical exegesis is not cut and dry. You have to really dive into the text to get the true meaning out of it.

I only argued from the "majority believe" standpoint when atheists brought it up. I really don't care what the majority of Christians believe... the proof is in the Bible.

You are basically completely ignorant of what the Bible teaches, beyond what you've heard on the internet, and you have never looked into the text for explanation. Either give me a good argument that Mormonism is what the Bible taught, or that Universalism is what the Bible taught, or that the nondeity of Christ is what the Bible taught, or take a hike.

I've never studied Islam so I can't comment on what it means to be a true Muslim. Perhaps you could be as wise as I am towards faiths I don't understand, and withhold judgement?