Thoughts and prayers I am not sure what this particular post is trying to convey though.

the point is this regional war is having a really negative affect on Israelis, especially soldiers

This post was edited by gnarjay on Oct 24 2024 10:17pm

Wars have negative effect on everyone not just Israelis.
I am sure the wars that Americans have gone through, all the veterans Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc etc also have a negative effect on American soldiers.
I am sure a number committed suicide or is going through extreme PTSD right now.

Although I understand your POV. But why pinpoint Israel in such a manner?
Whats your MO ? To make them feel bad ? Trying to convince them that this is wrong?

You want this thing to stop ? Simple. Next Month is elections. Vote for someone that will stop this drama.....but alas you can't both sides are pretty much similar.

I am going to take the Russo Ukraine war for example. It started way back in 2014, whereby Nuland, McCain and their NeoCons and NeoLiberal friends decided to regime change the country.
Ukraine was poor yes, corrupted yes. But they are not losing lives like what they are losing now.

So, I am not sure what are you getting at really. Do you think by showing some of the Pro Israel supporters in this particular thread in regards to your post is going melt their hearts and stop the conflict ? No.
If you as a nation and being the most powerful entity in the world both militarily and economically is not leading by example. What makes you think others will follow?



This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Oct 24 2024 10:34pm

Israelis fight because they feel they need to protect their home and keep their families safe. Living in a tough region with ongoing threats, they see defending their country as essential. For many, it’s not just a duty—it’s personal, since nearly everyone has friends or family in the military. So while the conflict is hard, they feel they’re doing what’s needed to keep their people safe.

Hopefully this time we will finish the job

So far, Israel has merely cut off the tentacles, but this conflict won't end unless the head of the monster is cut off. Which simply won't happen anytime soon because Israel itself lacks the resources and everyone else lacks the willpower.
You're gonna bomb Iran's nuclear facilities and then call it a day, buying yourself some 10-20 years of relative peace before the ME is back to square one yet again.

There are more options on the table against iran.

And as for the tentacles they wont invest in them again after this pathetic show

This post was edited by Many_Names on Oct 25 2024 04:29am

It is impossible to cut all the heads off , they will regrow. The only way is to do enough damage, frighten them to a point that it doesn't come back for a while.
And you are right buying them 10-20 years of relative peace.

But things doesn't seem to go that way at the moment. If you bomb Iran nuclear facilities, or use nuke, I won't be surprised that Iran already have nukes to be honest.
A miscalculation will end up in WW3.

Furthermore, unlike WW2 Germany where the entire Ally force conquered a Germany that made the fatal mistake with the Soviets and is lacking in natural resources.
The Mid East is resource rich.

The only country that has any sway on Iran is basically Russia and you are engaged in a Proxy war with them. It is a failed US / EU Foreign Policy.

Kissinger said : Don't put China, Iran and Russia together it is disastrous.

In the earlier days when asked if the Chinese and Russia will ever formed a meaningful partnership Zbigniew Brzezinski laughed and said not likely.

If you put all three together with a menacing North Korea, the Global South tilting towards Brics Not because they love or favor them but because of decades and decades of grievance of life lost due to the " West " Foreign Policy towards them.
You are in for trouble.

Which is now.

I have explained it to Many Names before, although he doesn't think that way. It is safer world if we are in a situation where by the West respect Russia's Red Lines and also China's Red Lines and India's Red lines.

All the countries in bold have absolutely zero tolerance on Fundamental Muslims (Which sad to say is a byproduct of America's pet project to tackle the Red Mist [Communist]).

Iran cannot succeed if isolated, they were isolated during the Uni polar moment. They were willing to sit down for talks during Obama's term with EU ( Not sure how meaningful it is really)
They will just be a North Korea.
Furthermore during the past 20 years before MBS accession Saudi's and some of the Mid East relationship with Israel although not exceptionally iron clad are friendly enough not to give two hoods about Hama's led Palestinians (Except for Qatar OFC).

Therefore in conclusion, if America's relationship with the other up and coming "powers" do not come into an agreement. The Mid East Tragedy is going to continue.
I remember whitesounded's comments that America's Foreign Policy is gravely affecting Israel's security quite a few pages back. That is something that I agree.

The doomsday clock is currently 90 seconds to midnight.

I disagree because I don’t believe anyone would go to war over Iran, especially not Russia or China, as their interests are entirely different. China is focused on Taiwan and is largely indifferent toward Russia or Iran. Russia, meanwhile, is bogged down in Ukraine. As for Israel, it is decisively weakening its adversaries, and no one wants to align themselves with the losing side.

They won't directly go to war for Iran unless the US steps in. I already mention if Israel is going to use nukes. Everyone is going to come in.

As a matter of fact, both are already involved and building up with Iran in case Israel strike.

Both need a stronghold or an anti western Ally in that region that can still be a threat / adversary to balance things. And Iran is the perfect chess piece.

This is my POV.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Oct 25 2024 08:09am

Iran is far from perfect; it opposes anything that isn’t them.
Without oil no one would even look at them

Israel would only consider using nuclear weapons as an absolute last resort.