They werent fired, they were removed from a special assignment. They're still employed with the Pentagon and still receive paychecks. They just no longer sit on the NSC.
They also werent criminally prosecuted or anything like that - which is the usual fate of conventional whistleblowers.




Ciamarella definitely did leak. And if you look into the specifics of the case, and the info we can infer from Vindman's testimony, it is extremely likely that these two knew each other and/or coordinated. On top, there is clear evidence that both of them coordinated with Schiff before their testimony. Also not something neutral actors would do. And last but not least, if they had wanted to turn to Congress, tehy could have gone to the Senate, or to the Senate and the House at once. Going exclusively to the chamber of Congress controlled by the opposition party shows a clear motivation to undermine the president.




Of course Trump is an authoritarian. Removing subordinates who have tried to undermine you from a post on which they served at your sole discretion, however, is not a particularly partisan move - its common sense, and Obama/Bush/Clinton would have done the exact same thing in this situation.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 9 2020 03:38am

as if we needed any more proof of that deep down you're well aware that this is clearly just petty revenge, you keep harping on about this technicality in order to downplay your cult leader's petty actions...

vindman's brother is a clear case of "sippenhaft" - so it's hardly surprising a brownshirt like you would defend that... authoritarian scum doing authoritarian shit, and brownshirts don't see anything wrong with it - i'm shocked...

This post was edited by fender on Feb 9 2020 02:44pm

this is what I had to say about the case of his brother:




your takeaway from these thoughts: "doesnt see anything wrong with it".

and then on the next day, you will again have the audacity to call others out for purported "simplicity" and "lack of nuance".

so you're allegedly 'not a huge fan', but still keep perpetuating those ridiculous excuses and narratives to justify trumps authoritarian behaviour. sorry, but your token 'look how reasonable i am, i almost criticised the most egregious case slightly' disclaimers don't prove a nuanced stance, they just illustrate your dishonesty, brownshirt.

You were wrong. He didn't wait till the "next day".

says the dishonoably discharged military washout warmongering descendant of joseph who justifies this on the daily:

My deepest regrets,

Uncle Pablo

My fantasy is that we elect a Democratic President in the near future with a Republican Congress who is then on board with cutting back and limiting executive power.

One of the biggest issues with America's trajectory going forward is the continual expansion of power and size of the executive branch. We have to be in this for the long haul and reject power advances simply because it benefits our team at the time for the next 4-8 years.