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Mar 30 2017 08:14am
Quote (Knaapie @ 30 Mar 2017 14:47)
Ow.. there were cuts.. It could have been cut a lot worse though.
That's what happens when we agree on a maximum 3% budget deficit.

Imagine having to pay 30 bil more to an army every year, in the last decade.


i was referring to "saved billions of cuts for the poor, elderly and the environment", something that we just didnt do
the cuts in the military have been so bad, i think many people here remember the "binocular scandal" where german soldiers in afghanistan had to order binoculars in an online shop with their own money :lol:

i can fully imagine spending an extra 20-30 billion for defense, we could easily afford it
of course, if we could finally stop wasting money for leftist utopia bullshit
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Mar 30 2017 08:22am
Quote (ampoo @ 30 Mar 2017 15:14)
i was referring to "saved billions of cuts for the poor, elderly and the environment", something that we just didnt do
the cuts in the military have been so bad, i think many people here remember the "binocular scandal" where german soldiers in afghanistan had to order binoculars in an online shop with their own money :lol:

i can fully imagine spending an extra 20-30 billion for defense, we could easily afford it
of course, if we could finally stop wasting money for leftist utopia bullshit


lol.. That means spending on the elderly, the poor and the environment. What are you trying to accomplish here ?
(Apart from pointing out Afghanistan was a waste of NATO resources to help out the US.. )


Quote (Black XistenZ @ 30 Mar 2017 15:01)
dont pretend like the united states having a higher military budget than the next 10 countries in the world combined wasnt their own choice. dont pretend like they spend that much on military because their uncooperative allies force them, lol.

yes, the european nato members have been slacking, but this doesnt mean that the united states have spent even a single dollar more than what they would have spent anyways to satisfy their military industry and their national ego.


agreed

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Mar 30 2017 10:37am
Quote (Knaapie @ 30 Mar 2017 15:22)
lol.. That means spending on the elderly, the poor and the environment. What are you trying to accomplish here ?
(Apart from pointing out Afghanistan was a waste of NATO resources to help out the US.. )




agreed


no, it does not mean that
we have elderly people with pensions so low that they need to visit charity organisations for a hot meal, meanwhile we spend dozends of billions for illegal migration

perhaps i wasnt clear enough, our current defense spendings are not enough to meet the basic needs of our army
as i said, there is not enough for personal equipment, just a portion of our planes, helicopters and tanks is actually ready to operate
its a huge mess

one way or another our army needs extra money or it will disintegrate
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Mar 30 2017 11:48am
Quote (ampoo @ 30 Mar 2017 17:37)
no, it does not mean that
we have elderly people with pensions so low that they need to visit charity organisations for a hot meal, meanwhile we spend dozends of billions for illegal migration

perhaps i wasnt clear enough, our current defense spendings are not enough to meet the basic needs of our army
as i said, there is not enough for personal equipment, just a portion of our planes, helicopters and tanks is actually ready to operate
its a huge mess

one way or another our army needs extra money or it will disintegrate


I do somewhat agree on the army, it's in a bad shape. I'm happy it got cut hard in the crisis, to not cut too much on my left-wing utopia. We have more room now, let's slowly and intelligently increase its capabilities.

But what we spend on immigration is a small portion of what we spend on integration of our youth into the working force of our country, through education and benefits from birth. Somehow that doesn't seem to matter to people.
In the mean time our population is aging, and pensions for the elderly are becoming too expensive in their current form. Without immigration we're gonna need massive reforms to slim down pensions for when we are too old to work.
And while we work, we'll double the pension/worker ratio in our demographics, leaving less room for our welfare state.

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Mar 30 2017 01:48pm
Donald J. Trump‏

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The failing @nytimes has disgraced the media world. Gotten me wrong for two solid years. Change libel laws?
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Mar 30 2017 01:57pm
Quote (Knaapie @ 30 Mar 2017 18:48)
I do somewhat agree on the army, it's in a bad shape. I'm happy it got cut hard in the crisis, to not cut too much on my left-wing utopia. We have more room now, let's slowly and intelligently increase its capabilities.

But what we spend on immigration is a small portion of what we spend on integration of our youth into the working force of our country, through education and benefits from birth. Somehow that doesn't seem to matter to people.
In the mean time our population is aging, and pensions for the elderly are becoming too expensive in their current form. Without immigration we're gonna need massive reforms to slim down pensions for when we are too old to work.
And while we work, we'll double the pension/worker ratio in our demographics, leaving less room for our welfare state.


the decisive point is: to sustain our workforce and pay for the pensioneers, we need qualified migration. we need immigrants who are able to find work in our high-qualification job market and who are able and willing to integrate into our society and live by our rules.

allowing immigration into our social security systems is not a solution for demographic challenge, its making things worse. allowing people that are culturally imcompatible and/or will live off of taxpayers money doesnt solve any problems, it will only add to the existing problems and make them even worse.

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Mar 30 2017 05:25pm
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the decisive point is: to sustain our workforce and pay for the pensioneers, we need qualified migration. we need immigrants who are able to find work in our high-qualification job market and who are able and willing to integrate into our society and live by our rules.

allowing immigration into our social security systems is not a solution for demographic challenge, its making things worse. allowing people that are culturally imcompatible and/or will live off of taxpayers money doesnt solve any problems, it will only add to the existing problems and make them even worse.


this

1 million asian migrants would have helped us big time, this lot however.....problems will increase exponentially from this point

Quote (Knaapie @ 30 Mar 2017 18:48)
I do somewhat agree on the army, it's in a bad shape. I'm happy it got cut hard in the crisis, to not cut too much on my left-wing utopia. We have more room now, let's slowly and intelligently increase its capabilities.

But what we spend on immigration is a small portion of what we spend on integration of our youth into the working force of our country, through education and benefits from birth. Somehow that doesn't seem to matter to people.
In the mean time our population is aging, and pensions for the elderly are becoming too expensive in their current form. Without immigration we're gonna need massive reforms to slim down pensions for when we are too old to work.
And while we work, we'll double the pension/worker ratio in our demographics, leaving less room for our welfare state.


you wont find me disagreeing, however in the current age i believe that a decreasing population is not necessarily a bad thing
as things are developing the need for workers will go down in the future so i would rather counter the effects of demographics with technology
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Mar 30 2017 05:27pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Mar 30 2017 03:48pm)
Donald J. Trump‏

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The failing @nytimes has disgraced the media world. Gotten me wrong for two solid years. Change libel laws?


I said nearly a year ago that Trump was anti-Constitutional and anti-Free Speech. Of course as usual everyone said I was a conspiracy theorist or irrational Trump hater. Surprise.
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Mar 30 2017 05:37pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Mar 30 2017 04:27pm)
I said nearly a year ago that Trump was anti-Constitutional and anti-Free Speech. Of course as usual everyone said I was a conspiracy theorist or irrational Trump hater. Surprise.


well trump has said shit about libel with the press the entire time on and off so there isn't much conspiracy there
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Mar 30 2017 05:53pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Mar 30 2017 07:37pm)
well trump has said shit about libel with the press the entire time on and off so there isn't much conspiracy there


Hey tell that to my critics :lol:

The difference is the Trump goons think what the NY Times prints is genuine libel :rofl:

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