The party of “support the military” really doesn’t care when it comes to the trump cult. The guy has given more to the US then all of trumps family govt ever will
Trumps own “only the best people” keep getting arrested or fired. Even Steven Bannon trumps with lord said there should of been full truth and witness’
Mental deflecting gymnastics in full effect today

SAD!

Damn, nice reference.

Anyway, I'll gladly let my team take an L to reduce the power of the executive branch. I'm in it for the long haul.

How?

I don't know which cult talking point you're going with, so it's hard to respond. Some cultists would argue that Trump cares about Ukraine more than Obama, which is why he provided lethal aid, and he was pursuing corruption with Biden to ensure our money wasn't misspent. Others try to be more tethered to reality.

I would argue that people in government constantly go against the president's position. Colin Powell worked against Bush's desire to go into Iraq. This isn't undermining, it's using their positions to influence decisions. Ultimately Powell got on board because his arguments lost. Even when Bill Taylor was recruited to become faux ambassador, he told Pompeo that if the US position of strong support for Ukraine changed, he would resign.

But based on the talking point I mentioned, Vindman wasn't going against Trump's policy. Anyone who makes this argument has to concede that Trump doesn't care about Ukraine, he was using them to benefit himself politically, etc. So maybe state your position and we can go from there.

Filing a litany of complaints with the NSC lawyer, coordinating with fellow career bureaucrats in the WH who also disagreed with the president (=organizing internal resistance), ultimately leaking to the press and to the opposition party.



Powell was in a much stronger position much higher up the hierarchy than Vindman. Powell had influence and actual decision-making power of his own, Vindman did not.



See, that's the difference. When Vindman & Ciaramella disagreed with the president's position, they leaked to the press and to the chamber of Congress under control of the opposition party, and they coordinated with Schiff to actively help the opposition's impeachment cause as best as they could.

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Are you guys still butthurt about this? It's over. Next.

Yeet

Firing "insubordinates" because they whistleblew your wrongdoings is authoritarian AF.

There's a difference between someone like Snowden who exposes objective wrong doing and some partisan bureaucrat conspiring with the presidents opposition to leak. If what Trump did was illegal and this guy got imprisoned for it i'd agree, but what Trump did wasn't illegal and he was exonerated (regardless if you think it was the right decision that's the outcome).

When you're in the military you go up the chain of command if you think something wrong happened, you don't go to the opposing party, it's simply not your place to do so and it's borderline treasonous.

He leaked damaging information against his boss, he lost his job for it. There's nothing unusual or wrong about the outcome tbh, those are natural consequences.

So you're not authoritarian if you fire people who tell on you of you use a bloc of text to justify it?

They didn't leak information they were in a hearing with Congress you big dummy.

He didn't say it was wrong, he used a correct adjective to describe something. It isn't even controversial. Only an idiot would deny that Trump is authoritarian.

This post was edited by Skinned on Feb 9 2020 12:32am