put em all in one of those fruity double decker buses of yours and drive into a low tunnel!

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jul 18 2018 02:16pm

I don't have anything against them personally or wish any ill. The presence of a monarchy inherently propagates the worst beliefs of the old days: the divine right to rule over the peasantry, a higher birth right, autocracy and exploitation of the working class. Even if they don't have any 'power' (which they do in my opinion through influence) or are a net cost to the taxpayer (they are, even after discounting tourism).

We'll only get change once the Queen dies and a less popular monarch takes the throne. The monarchists are mostly 50s+ so some of them will have to die too before we could win a vote on it :^)

I can see influence as an issue for sure, and many of the powers the royalty have are "ceremonial" but powers all the same. Precedent that they dont often get used doesnt make them any less there.

at least you guys effectively hold them for ransom with the crown jewels and crown estate. i wonder tho, if they are eliminated in some future generation does this mean they'll be stripped of both of these? The jewels aren't much of an issue, they'd likely remain in a museum or the tower of london no matter who "owns" them, and are beyond price. but the lands and their incomes are an issue that needs dealing with. in my understanding most of the incomes of the crown estate are basically donated back into the government.

We'd have to split their assets, liabilities and equity into what has been funded from the taxpayer and what was funded by themselves. It's unchartered territory, but I would guess the crown jewels would be handed to the government and they keep a portion of their estate.

from the perspective of a country, where nobility does not exist anymore i think it can be nice to have a monarch around, whose word carries meaning
can be healthy for a democracy overall

god save the queen my friend

to me there is no real distinction. all of their "investment" is nothing but 1000 years of unjust tax collection put back into their own pocket to make more money. what did they do but perpetually wage wars, foreign and domestic, with levies they demanded fight for them. uncharted territory indeed, most countries preferred a guillotine to a arbitrator.

not a good post my friend!



Of course, but arbitrate we will

britain is still a very stratisfied society, and I think the fact that monarchy is hanging on in britain is the effect of those societal realities and not its cause.



see, for example, the way king Juan Carlos defended the still young spanish democracy in the 1981 spanish coup d'etat:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Spanish_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt


the king speaking out against the coupists and defending the constitution and democracy is considered the key move that made the coup falter.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 18 2018 04:19pm

I found this interesting:



It's the percentage of people in each country who think their nation is culturally superior to the rest. The Greeks are so proud lol.

mines like 150%