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Oct 17 2024 07:50pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 17 2024 06:47pm)
Don't entirely blame Israel on this.

I give credit when it is due, just when Many Names think that United States did not have any hand in the creation of their state which I vehemently disagree.

Your country have been acting with impunity for the past 60 or so years mate. But it is what it is I supposed (Might is right in this sense I guess, :mellow: ).
Before pointing a finger to Israel, need to look in the mirror sometimes I think.....


oh Im with you 100%. without the US' support, Israel wouldnt be acting like monsters nor would they be getting away with it. US shares just as much of the blame
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Oct 17 2024 07:53pm
Quote (gnarjay @ 17 Oct 2024 20:43)
if countries and governments are allowed to act with impunity, that is when order descends into chaos. Israel needs to pay for its crimes for there to be a single shred of hope for peace in the region


I think your inability to see what OUR military has done to other nations is really eye-opening.

You are saying Israel should pay for it's war crimes?

Should the United States pay for its war crimes too?

Seems like you just SJW and change "oppressor/oppressed at will when it suits you.

Why don't you want to hold the American military accountable or do they get a free pass because "Californians supports American Imperialism".

Like I said you don't care about any of these people. Why pretend?
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Oct 17 2024 07:58pm
Quote (gnarjay @ 18 Oct 2024 09:50)
oh Im with you 100%. without the US' support, Israel wouldnt be acting like monsters nor would they be getting away with it. US shares just as much of the blame


Well, that's just how the current world works. But it is more more complicated than that.

The Israel Conflict now that we see have been happening for the longest time, but why is it different this time round.

We have to connect all the dots and think about it.

1. Trade war with China and trying to contain it's rise
2. Nato moving East Wards , Russo/Ukro war
3. America's technical decline, Debt, forever wars , lobbies and interest groups and weak political class and administration.
4. EU's dependence on NATO while getting rich (previously) and being held hostage by US foreign policies.
5. American NeoCons and Liberal interventionist


If we have to use force, it is because we are America. We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future. Madeleine Albright.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Oct 17 2024 07:59pm
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Oct 17 2024 08:10pm
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 17 2024 06:53pm)


You are saying Israel should pay for it's war crimes?

Should the United States pay for its war crimes too?



yes and yes
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Oct 17 2024 08:18pm
Quote (gnarjay @ 17 Oct 2024 21:10)
yes and yes


Ok now how are you as a citizen going to prevent their militaries from carrying out "war crimes" and who is going to hold them accountable? No one.
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Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ 18 Oct 2024 10:18)
Ok now how are you as a citizen going to prevent their militaries from carrying out "war crimes" and who is going to hold them accountable? No one.


You can Vote ^_^

Democracy ^_^

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Ok now how are you as a citizen going to prevent their militaries from carrying out "war crimes" and who is going to hold them accountable? No one.


we would need nothing short of a Revolution for that to happen and I cant do that all by myself
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 17 Oct 2024 21:20)
You can Vote ^_^

Democracy ^_^


Good luck with that. Power doesn't often consider "vote" when it's actively/passively destroying nation by nation that stands against it.

Total fallacy.

The UN will not hold Israel or the United States accountable because they literally can't.

"Oh we all voted for the United States military to take a step back!"

"US military takes 10 steps forward".

So much for a "vote".
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Oct 17 2024 08:31pm
Quote (gnarjay @ 17 Oct 2024 21:26)
we would need nothing short of a Revolution for that to happen and I cant do that all by myself


You should be happy you live in California privilege. Don't need to start a revolution just hope/pray our military continues to do all the heavy lifting.

Thank your military for doing what you can't. That's what I do.

It's why were still the "land of the free" and "home of the brave".
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Oct 17 2024 08:37pm
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ 18 Oct 2024 10:28)
Good luck with that. Power doesn't often consider "vote" when it's actively/passively destroying nation by nation that stands against it.

Total fallacy.

The UN will not hold Israel or the United States accountable because they literally can't.

"Oh we all voted for the United States military to take a step back!"

"US military takes 10 steps forward".

So much for a "vote".


I was being slightly sarcastic. :lol:
Not with malicious intend of course. ^_^
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