Trump fired the first shots in those wars. Sorry orange baby, actions and words have consequences. Why do you not expect the establishment, media, and IC to hit back? They have power too, collectively more than the president.

Trump is just the vehicle for Republicans to accomplish their agenda... when he's no longer politically useful, they will abandon him. It's already happening.

As far as these things being "manufactured", not even the entirety of hardcore Trump supporters agree with you. Talk radio obviously criticizes the MSM for being overly dramatic(which I agree with to some extent), but they are also criticizing Trump and his staff for making all these mistakes.

This post was edited by IceMage on May 17 2017 11:31am

People elected Trump precisely because he declared war on the establishment and mainstream.
The world didn't get into this ignorant of the consequences or being unable to predict the fallout.



The republicans are still motivated by their own rational self interest. They would have disowned Trump long ago if they could have done it and survived, his agenda is not their agenda.
They still live under the threat of alienating the popular base which would be their own doom. No amount of swamp monster alliance can keep them in power if the voters crucify them

that's all just subject to the status quo, they might get crucified more for their support if this keeps up into the 2018-2020 elections. and the real problem is regional differences. its a lot easier for someone in CA to break ranks than it is for someone in NC. that's going to make for some fun situations come the 2018 cycle IMO, it already happened in 2016 with people like McCain and Ryan when he was still in "i have to work with HRC" mode.

This post was edited by thesnipa on May 17 2017 11:39am

Yes they were saying that prior to the 2016 elections, many put their feet in the cold water if not jumped ship, most just ran damage control, more than just McCain and Ryan, plenty of local races.Then Trump's victory gave them surprise downstream bonus wins. They'll flee the instant an actual smoking gun appears knowing it would be suicide to stick around, but they're just stuck in the nervous position of being uncertain about the future while knowing if they stabbed Trump in the back today, they'd get ripped to pieces and the voters would bake their bones into bread.

The polls paint a completely different picture than the media, and the politicians read the polls instead of the headlines. They see that 96% of Trump voters are still true compared to 85% of Hillary voters, and they see Trump's approval ratings have plateaued and stabilize whereas the democrats have been plunging rapidly post-election. All these hysteria cycles haven't found their mark yet, but they've been damaging the opposition. If one blow gets past the armor it might be a different story, but for now, the GOP is Trump's bitch

it lowered again today, btw nice website to follow trump status:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

the most interesting is second part imo: "How Trump compares with past presidents"

edit; i cant stop to think about how it's easy to jump in approval by going to war.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 17 2017 12:58pm

this game is quite progressive, they even have transgendered machines

This guy will be the time person of the year in 2018, 2019, or 2020 for taking down Trump. This is truly the beginning of the end.

This post was edited by IceMage on May 17 2017 05:03pm

I can see The_Donald now: the evidence of Trump collusion with Russia was photoshopped, just like Obama's birth certificate! Robert Mueller is a member of the swamp, even though he's respected by everyone as a fair guy with integrity! Obama orchestrated all of this from the French Polynesian islands! Infowars.com!

This post was edited by IceMage on May 17 2017 05:11pm