Quote (thundercock @ 16 Aug 2022 22:36)

We shouldn't accept that "nuclear secrets" were there just because WaPo said it (though they are one of the more reputable outlets when it comes to politics). What we SHOULD accept is that SCI material (in addition to TS) was there since it's on the receipts that are now public: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/12/us/politics/trump-search-warrant-document.html

We also know the possible crimes since that's on the warrant. Lastly, based on the people involved, we can surmise the general area that some of these documents fall under. Regardless, the facts point to this being extremely serious.

Quote (JessiWan @ Aug 16 2022 03:46pm)

I never said they had to ask. Rather my point is that you cannot prove that Trump isn't in the process of returning those papers. If he can prove that he really has the intention of returning the papers but is just taking a while, then it's a crime that's a lot less serious.



Fender is. He said, "why doesn't the law apply to Trump" which is the assumption that Trump is guilty already. I had a problem with this statement of his, that's all.



You are right that possession of classified material one has no authority for is a crime, and I guess in a strict, technical sense, Trump is indeed in such a possession. However, this is not analogous to a criminal having some crystal meth on him. Trump used to be president, and he had access to that kind of documents. It is conceivable he took some of these home with him when he was still potus and the papers stayed there and either he forgot to return them, or like I said earlier, he is in the process of returning them. And most importantly, at the time when he took those papers home, there was no criminal intention. A criminal getting hold of crystal meth has criminal intention. A sitting president taking sensitive papers home with him might not have criminal intention.

Although I admit I am not too sure about the legality of a POTUS taking sensitive documents home with him.

Quote (JessiWan @ Aug 16 2022 03:46pm)

I never said they had to ask. Rather my point is that you cannot prove that Trump isn't in the process of returning those papers. If he can prove that he really has the intention of returning the papers but is just taking a while, then it's a crime that's a lot less serious.



Fender is. He said, "why doesn't the law apply to Trump" which is the assumption that Trump is guilty already. I had a problem with this statement of his, that's all.



You are right that possession of classified material one has no authority for is a crime, and I guess in a strict, technical sense, Trump is indeed in such a possession. However, this is not analogous to a criminal having some crystal meth on him. Trump used to be president, and he had access to that kind of documents. It is conceivable he took some of these home with him when he was still potus and the papers stayed there and either he forgot to return them, or like I said earlier, he is in the process of returning them. And most importantly, at the time when he took those papers home, there was probably no criminal intention. A criminal getting hold of crystal meth has criminal intention. A sitting president taking sensitive papers home with him might not have criminal intention.

Although I admit I am not too sure about the legality of a POTUS taking sensitive documents home with him.

Quote (Surfpunk @ Aug 16 2022 01:55pm)

I absolutely guarantee you that when he was POTUS, he was made very well aware of the storage/viewing requirements for TS/SCI information. The White House and many other government facilities have SCIFs for this purpose, and him viewing any such information within a SCIF is perfectly normal. Mere possession outside a SCIF is a criminal act, regardless of intention.

Quote (foxnews @ Aug 16 2022 04:54pm)

Except all of what you wrote is BS. On June 3,Trumps lawyers gave a statement that classified documents were returned. They were not.

Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Aug 16 2022 04:05pm)

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-lawyer-june-said-classified-material-had-been-returned-ny-times-2022-08-13/

In case the peanut gallery doesn't believe that.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 16 Aug 2022 22:50)

Mishandling classified information is a crime and a clear violation of norms. But opinions on Trump are already virtually perfectly sorted along this category anyway - virtually no voter who places great importance on norms will still support Trump; virtually no voter who still supports Trump will care about abstract norm violations. Public opinion will not move unless/until we learn about the actual content of these documents.

Quote (JessiWan @ Aug 16 2022 03:57pm)

You are probably right.

I find it really hard to defend Trump having taking those documents home with him. Seems to be a very stupid move on his part. I honestly don't know why he did it.