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Jul 17 2018 06:59am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 17 2018 01:38pm)
EU-Japan free trade deal is big news!

Is there a required number of years Scotland has to wait before they can vote to leave the UK and rejoin the EU? Are they waiting out to see how Brexit ends up?



They’ll eliminate tariffs with each other and we’ll eliminate tariffs all over the world!

No, the devolved Scottish parliament needs to consult the government and get it accepted, but unlike Spain we didn’t stand in their way when they asked. It would be really difficult for the SNP to get a 2nd referendum considering they said the first one was a once in a generation vote. More importantly, the SNP lost a share of their vote in the last general election due to their support of a 2nd referendum. It’s not a popular policy in Scotland at the moment, and who can blame them when the EU said even if they leave the UK they’ll be out of the EU - they’ll have to apply for membership which would take 5+ years from start to finish.

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They’ll eliminate tariffs with each other and we’ll eliminate tariffs all over the world!

No, the devolved Scottish parliament needs to consult the government and get it accepted, but unlike Spain we didn’t stand in their way when they asked. It would be really difficult for the SNP to get a 2nd referendum considering they said the first one was a once in a generation vote. More importantly, the SNP lost a share of their vote in the last general election due to their support of a 2nd referendum. It’s not a popular policy in Scotland at the moment, and who can blame them when the EU said even if they leave the UK they’ll be out of the EU - they’ll have to apply for membership which would take 5+ years from start to finish.

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Jul 17 2018 07:46am
Quote (dro94 @ Jul 17 2018 06:59am)
They’ll eliminate tariffs with each other and we’ll eliminate tariffs all over the world!

No, the devolved Scottish parliament needs to consult the government and get it accepted, but unlike Spain we didn’t stand in their way when they asked. It would be really difficult for the SNP to get a 2nd referendum considering they said the first one was a once in a generation vote. More importantly, the SNP lost a share of their vote in the last general election due to their support of a 2nd referendum. It’s not a popular policy in Scotland at the moment, and who can blame them when the EU said even if they leave the UK they’ll be out of the EU - they’ll have to apply for membership which would take 5+ years from start to finish.


i assumed there were some large barriers to Scotland ever leaving after the failed vote. i suppose they'll want to see what brexit shapes up to be before much more planning given that 5+ year EU enrollment window.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 17 2018 06:56am)
Almost like alienating your allies fucks you over in international affairs


its starting to look like Trump wants less trade, unless its people buying military complex items from us. It's working for the stock market at the moment, and the blowback has been targeted at lobbying key congresspeople. i'm starting to get the feeling that his long plan is to isolate our trade as much as possible, and the renegotiating of trade deals was a red herring with secondary importance. of course simpletons like Ghot still eat up the "this is the only way for true free trade" rhetoric because he doesnt understand even basic economics. but in reality Trump can inflate the economy and pump job numbers by taxing domestically produced products with a price hike for the consumer. how sustainable that is is questionable, and what sectors will be the first to fold is up for debate. what we can tell from how it's currently shaking out is that anti-free trade tariff campaigns are not nearly as destructive to economic growth as they seem on the face. however neither were subprime mortgages in the short term. my biggest worries are domestic steel prices being inflated for little to no job increases in the sector, solar energy job losses, and coal not paying any returns compared to how much we're paying to prop up the industry. domestic electronics, car manufacturing, and other machining based industries are thriving, that's either partly due to the moves or at the least not yet subject to those moves. on the topic of Japan-EU, i'm more concerned with what China does in it's trade deals moving forward.
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Jul 17 2018 01:51pm
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i assumed there were some large barriers to Scotland ever leaving after the failed vote. i suppose they'll want to see what brexit shapes up to be before much more planning given that 5+ year EU enrollment window.



its starting to look like Trump wants less trade, unless its people buying military complex items from us. It's working for the stock market at the moment, and the blowback has been targeted at lobbying key congresspeople. i'm starting to get the feeling that his long plan is to isolate our trade as much as possible, and the renegotiating of trade deals was a red herring with secondary importance. of course simpletons like Ghot still eat up the "this is the only way for true free trade" rhetoric because he doesnt understand even basic economics. but in reality Trump can inflate the economy and pump job numbers by taxing domestically produced products with a price hike for the consumer. how sustainable that is is questionable, and what sectors will be the first to fold is up for debate. what we can tell from how it's currently shaking out is that anti-free trade tariff campaigns are not nearly as destructive to economic growth as they seem on the face. however neither were subprime mortgages in the short term. my biggest worries are domestic steel prices being inflated for little to no job increases in the sector, solar energy job losses, and coal not paying any returns compared to how much we're paying to prop up the industry. domestic electronics, car manufacturing, and other machining based industries are thriving, that's either partly due to the moves or at the least not yet subject to those moves. on the topic of Japan-EU, i'm more concerned with what China does in it's trade deals moving forward.


i don't know, it really doesn't look like there is some kind of masterplan behind all of this, to me it seems trump just genuinely doesn't understand the whole deficit deal and thinks this is a legitimate way to fix it, assuming he can strongarm the rest of the world into submission. that so many of his advisors and donors seem rather uncomfortable with the situation suggests that this is not really a 37d backgammon move...

i agree that the immediate consequences might be relatively mild, not only because it's not an all out trade war with the whole world yet, but also because the american economy is just that strong. in the long run it will cost him though i think - many of his base might not be susceptible to reason, but when it hurts their finances (and it will, ofc not just for americans, but if trump escalates trade wars with several economic giants, it's likely it will hurt americans the most overall - despite the deficits) they might wake up after all and question his leadership - how long are they willing to pay subsidies, how long will they accept rising costs just for a vague promise that it's totally gonna work out in the end because the president claims he's a 'master negotiator'?

and if there is one resource trump values more than steel, coal, and aluminium, it's definitely supporters...
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Jul 17 2018 03:42pm
Quote (fender @ Jul 17 2018 11:51am)
i don't know, it really doesn't look like there is some kind of masterplan behind all of this, to me it seems trump just genuinely doesn't understand the whole deficit deal and thinks this is a legitimate way to fix it, assuming he can strongarm the rest of the world into submission. that so many of his advisors and donors seem rather uncomfortable with the situation suggests that this is not really a 37d backgammon move...

i agree that the immediate consequences might be relatively mild, not only because it's not an all out trade war with the whole world yet, but also because the american economy is just that strong. in the long run it will cost him though i think - many of his base might not be susceptible to reason, but when it hurts their finances (and it will, ofc not just for americans, but if trump escalates trade wars with several economic giants, it's likely it will hurt americans the most overall - despite the deficits) they might wake up after all and question his leadership - how long are they willing to pay subsidies, how long will they accept rising costs just for a vague promise that it's totally gonna work out in the end because the president claims he's a 'master negotiator'?

and if there is one resource trump values more than steel, coal, and aluminium, it's definitely supporters...


Trump could cure cancer and you'd say "why wasn't this done earlier, pathetic!"



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Jul 17 2018 03:44pm
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ Jul 17 2018 10:42pm)
Trump could cure cancer and you'd say "why wasn't this done earlier, pathetic!"


Well, why wasn't it?
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Trump could cure cancer and you'd say "why wasn't this done earlier, pathetic!"




trump could walk into your sister's dressing room to 'inspect' her while she's naked, and you'd feel honored.
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Jul 17 2018 03:57pm
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https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGuhL4U2WyjdkaY/giphy.gif

trump could walk into your sister's dressing room to 'inspect' her while she's naked, and you'd feel honored.


Quite funny you just said 10 minutes ago to djman
"dodged entertaining your sick animal killing fantasies."

Talk about sick fantasies..

This post was edited by JohnMiller92 on Jul 17 2018 03:58pm
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Quote (JohnMiller92 @ 17 Jul 2018 22:57)
Quite funny you just said 10 minutes ago to djman
"dodged entertaining your sick animal killing fantasies."

Talking about sick fantasies..


quite funny you didn't manage to identify that those are not MY 'sick' (are naked girls as 'sick' as killing animals for you, or just just a little less 'sick'?) FANTASIES but YOUR emperor's actual BEHAVIOUR - he even bragged about it...
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Jul 17 2018 04:04pm
Quote (fender @ Jul 17 2018 02:02pm)
quite funny you didn't manage to identify that those are not MY 'sick' (are naked girls as 'sick' as killing animals for you, or just just a little less 'sick'?) FANTASIES but YOUR emperor's actual BEHAVIOUR - he even bragged about it...


It wasn't DJMAN's either, he was referring the fantasy about you. And you just did the same exact thing to me. Go re-read the posts :rofl:

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