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Oct 10 2024 11:14am
Quote (gnarjay @ 11 Oct 2024 01:12)
youre missing the entire point !

hitler supported zionism because it meant that jews could have their own country and thus leave germany which was his plan
zionism isnt bad just because hitler supported it, its bad because it has displaced palestinians and arabs from land theyve lived on for hundreds of years with a goal to create a homogenous Jewish state


I am not sure if you are an American, but I wouldn't say that if I am an American or British . :lol:
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 10 2024 10:14am)
I am not sure if you are an American, but I wouldn't say that if I am an American or British . :lol:


why not? its the truth
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Quote (gnarjay @ 11 Oct 2024 01:16)
why not? its the truth


Because you did the same to the Native American Indians. :lol:

But it is what it is, so can't be help. Not your fault or the current generation fault though or even 3 generations back, not their fault.

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Because you did the same to the Native American Indians. :lol:

But it is what it is, so can't be help. Not your fault or the current generation fault though or even 3 generations back, not their fault.


it is nightmarish what colonialist Americans did to the native Americans. just because I live in a place where colonizing happened means I cant speak about colonization in other countries??

the truth is the truth regardless
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Quote (Many_Names @ Oct 10 2024 09:56am)
Where are they now?


They're still around in Mesopotamia, modern day Iraq and various areas in the ME as a stateless peoples
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Quote (gnarjay @ 11 Oct 2024 01:24)
it is nightmarish what colonialist Americans did to the native Americans. just because I live in a place where colonizing happened means I cant speak about colonization in other countries??

the truth is the truth regardless


Of course you can but it is naught.

Whats the point ? Just accept reality as it comes . I respect your fight for social justice and your empathy of the Palestinians.
But it is what it is.

Whatever it is, this only showed one thing right ? The institutions created by you guys failed. Simple as that. UN, ICC, ICJ, EUHCR etc etc etc etc etc.
It means nothing at this point ya ?

And you are in a democratic system. So whoever you put into power or vote for, things are just the same.

Before the Jewish state was re created , it belongs to the British Mandate and part of it belongs to the French.
And before that , the Turks and Ottomans were in full control of it.

So British won the Turks, and they own that land, they gave it to the Jews (They might argue they fought for it but ...nah...) and now the Jews own it. So they do whatever they please.
It is not the Jews fault, the land belongs to them now.

If you didn't rectify the problems then, you are not going to rectify the problem now. Or even if you want to, you can't.

And when the Jews own their land and it is deem as a sovereign state, it is more than fair that they do whatever they need to do to protect their Interest, fellow citizens, way of life and national security.

Which is what they are doing now.

Quote (El1te @ 11 Oct 2024 01:31)
They're still around in Mesopotamia, modern day Iraq and various areas in the ME as a stateless peoples


Kinda suck, like the Kurds I guess ?

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Oct 10 2024 11:37am
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Because you did the same to the Native American Indians. :lol:

But it is what it is, so can't be help. Not your fault or the current generation fault though or even 3 generations back, not their fault.


The state of England was also founded on the Angles and Saxons (Germans) driving out the Celts (native Britons). Followed by the Danes (more Germans) arriving, then a united Anglo-Saxon people driving out the Danes, then the Normans (still Germans) coming and conquering the land, then a whole lot of BS between France and yeah...
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 10 2024 10:32am)
Of course you can but it is naught.

Whats the point ? Just accept reality as it comes . I respect your fight for social justice and your empathy of the Palestinians.
But it is what it is.

Whatever it is, this only showed one thing right ? The institutions created by you guys failed. Simple as that. UN, ICC, ICJ, EUHCR etc etc etc etc etc.
It means nothing at this point ya ?

And you are in a democratic system. So whoever you put into power or vote for, things are just the same.

Before the Jewish state was re created , it belongs to the British Mandate and part of it belongs to the French.
And before that , the Turks and Ottomans were in full control of it.

So British won the Turks, and they own that land, they gave it to the Jews (They might argue they fought for it but ...nah...) and now the Jews own it. So they do whatever they please.
It is not the Jews fault, the land belongs to them now.

If you didn't rectify the problems then, you are not going to rectify the problem now. Or even if you want to, you can't.

And when the Jews own their land and it is deem as a sovereign state, it is more than fair that they do whatever they need to do to protect their Interest, fellow citizens, way of life and national security.

Which is what they are doing now.



Kinda suck, like the Kurds I guess ?


I'd say kind of but Canaanite people genetically would be a very slim minority. The were eradicated by the Romans in the West from the destruction of Carthage, many elites were spared and sold into slavery so it's hard to say how many managed to reproduce.
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Quote (El1te @ 11 Oct 2024 01:37)
The state of England was also founded on the Angles and Saxons (Germans) driving out the Celts (native Britons). Followed by the Danes (more Germans) arriving, then a united Anglo-Saxon people driving out the Danes, then the Normans (still Germans) coming and conquering the land, then a whole lot of BS between France and yeah...


Yup, which is why I don't think it's the current generations fault. I mean the reparation bullshit in USA , that's stupid asf.
I can understand affirmative actions but only up to a point. If you take it too far, your country will collapse sooner or later because you are no longer built in a meritocratic system.

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Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 10 2024 10:24am)
it is nightmarish what colonialist Americans did to the native Americans. just because I live in a place where colonizing happened means I cant speak about colonization in other countries??

the truth is the truth regardless


The point is you're still hypocritically living on conquered land, while telling the Israeli's they should leave. If that's your position you should leave first and set the example
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