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The Holodomor took place roughly five years before the start of WWII. It's also important to note that it wasn't unique to Ukraine (half of Ukraine was under control of Poland, the fuck are you even talking about) the Russian and Kazakh republics also lost millions to the famine. Stalin was Georgian, blame them :)


Reality: Everyone was starving under communism

But in 2026 it's fashionable to pretend that only the groups we want to highlight were the oppressed ones to justify and rationalize support for Nazis.
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Mar 16 2026 08:09am
The Holodomor took place roughly five years before the start of WWII. It's also important to note that it wasn't unique to Ukraine (half of Ukraine was under control of Poland, the fuck are you even talking about) the Russian and Kazakh republics also lost millions to the famine. Stalin was Georgian, blame them :)


The point is that the Ukrainian people had all the reason in the world to hate Stalin and to feel oppressed by the USSR. Given the historical context of the time, it made perfect sense that Ukraine's nationalist movement took their chances with the Nazis once WW2 broke out and they had to pick a side.
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The point is that the Ukrainian people had all the reason in the world to hate Stalin and to feel oppressed by the USSR. Given the historical context of the time, it made perfect sense that Ukraine's nationalist movement took their chances with the Nazis once WW2 broke out and they had to pick a side.


So did Russian nationalists, ever heard of ROA? But the thing is, it wasn't Ukrainian or Russian nationalists who took advantage of the situation, but the Germans who had captured General Vlasov and kept Bandera in detention. They are an example of cowardice and collaborationism, not a national liberation movement.
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The point is that the Ukrainian people had all the reason in the world to hate Stalin and to feel oppressed by the USSR. Given the historical context of the time, it made perfect sense that Ukraine's nationalist movement took their chances with the Nazis once WW2 broke out and they had to pick a side.


It’s really odd for a German to whitewash literal Jew murdering Nazis “uh cuz commies oppressed them”.

You know that right?
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Is it really that hard to contextualize this kind of stuff? Half of Ukraine had been starved to death by Stalin when the Nazis invaded. Forced to choose between two awful sides, it made perfect sense at the time for the Ukrainian ultranationalists to alilgn with the Nazis against Stalin. From there, it's not hard to see how this thing took on a life of its own and how Nazi symbolism and imagery became a staple of Ukraine's ultranationalist movement.

When an Ukrainian rube born in 1999 wears a swastika tattoo, this doesn't necessarily have to imply that he wants to gas the Jews and gypsies, or that he wants Europe to be ruled by a thousand year Reich headquartered in Berlin, lol. I mean, look at these guys - they're not exactly scholars who have arrived at their political worldview from an intellectual angle after judiciously studying the history books and intellectually thinking things through. :rolleyes:


You know you can just admit that on the whole, the "nazis" were the good guys instead of engaging in these mental gymnastics.

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It’s really odd for a German to whitewash literal Jew murdering Nazis “uh cuz commies oppressed them”.

You know that right?


The Russians/Soviet Union murdered many times more people than the Germans, many times, ethnic Ukrainians and others, many Russians also. It's reasonable and correct to see the (unjustified) brutality that the Germans unleashed on the Soviets as a reaction to their atrocities.

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Is it really that hard to contextualize this kind of stuff? Half of Ukraine had been starved to death by Stalin when the Nazis invaded. Forced to choose between two awful sides, it made perfect sense at the time for the Ukrainian ultranationalists to alilgn with the Nazis against Stalin. From there, it's not hard to see how this thing took on a life of its own and how Nazi symbolism and imagery became a staple of Ukraine's ultranationalist movement.

When an Ukrainian rube born in 1999 wears a swastika tattoo, this doesn't necessarily have to imply that he wants to gas the Jews and gypsies, or that he wants Europe to be ruled by a thousand year Reich headquartered in Berlin, lol. I mean, look at these guys - they're not exactly scholars who have arrived at their political worldview from an intellectual angle after judiciously studying the history books and intellectually thinking things through. :rolleyes:


We discussed this to death with you - but you still keep peddling factual inconsistencies and propaganda:

1) 1930s hunger was not unique to territories of modern Ukraine.
2) Eastern Ukraine - where overwhelming majority of Nazis were from was under Poland at the time - they cannot have grievances against Soviets for being governed by Poland.
3) Your beloved “nationalists” literally murdered everyone they considered subhuman - Ukranians, Polish, Jews, Russians, Rusyns, Hungarians, Belarusians. They should have all faced justice for their crimes - instead they were allowed to flee to Canada after the war.
4) Most of the “ukranian rubes born in 1999 with swastika tatoos” have social media accounts in 2026 where they elaborate in great length what they want to do to jews, gays, black people and everybody else they consider subhuman. You are welcome to educate yourself if you think it’s Russian propaganda.
5) in these little social media blogs they have - they literally write about creating a new reich and fighting for the white race against semite led untermenschen.

I’ve literally copy pasted so many of these here on jsp I lost count.

It really worries me that this is being normalized and peddled as “uh well they are fighting the russkies, shall we give them a break?”.
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The Russians/Soviet Union murdered many times more people than the Germans, many times, ethnic Ukrainians and others, many Russians also. It's reasonable and correct to see the (unjustified) brutality that the Germans unleashed on the Soviets as a reaction to their atrocities.


What
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The point is that German (and Ukrainian, Lithuanian, etc.) brutality in Eastern Europe was not an act of aggression, but response to aggression & atrocities committed by the Soviet Union

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The point is that German brutality in Eastern Europe was not an act of aggression, but response to aggression & atrocities committed by the Soviet Union


What. What is going on here.

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