Quote (EndlessSky @ Feb 17 2017 02:10pm)

OUT!! OUT!! OUT!!

Eisenhower is raising a toast in the afterlife.

Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 17 2017 12:58pm)

ya it is indeed click-baity as its only a plan. just the idea of mobilizing nat guard feels so icky to me. and good info for sure on the collateral arrests that's a good point.

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The Defense Department says Operation Jade Helm 15 is a "realistic military training exercise" and notes war games are routinely conducted on American soil.

But skeptics insist there is more to the mission than meets the eye, fueling talk that President Obama is preparing to confiscate firearms, impose martial law, or even forcibly relocate citizens to FEMA internment camps.

The rumors have gained particular traction in Texas, where Gov. Greg Abbott (R) ordered a state militia to monitor the military, leading to criticism that he is giving official credence to the theories.

Quote (IgoSoHard @ Feb 17 2017 02:14pm)

Yeah, sketchy for sure man. If Obama had begun to look into mobilising the Nat Guard I'm sure some far right republicans would start burying their guns in their backyards. In fact lol I remember in 2015 the Pentagon did a "realistic military exercise" where they deployed 1000+ troops in a plethora of southern states, basically practicing "counterinsurgency techniques." It was dubbed "Jade Helm," & sparked a multitude of conspiracy theories across the web.



Pretty funny stuff

Quote (IgoSoHard @ Feb 17 2017 10:56am)

Seems like click-bait more than something that will actually happen. I hope, anyway. Albeit this isn't something that just magically started happening under president Trump, as far as deporting immigrants. President Obama actually expanded the capacity to identify, apprehend, & deport unauthorised immigrants & used this to deport 2.5 million people between 2009 and 2015. The difference is Obama instructed ICE to only get people who were targeted in advance, not people who although are also illegal immigrants, happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, so called collateral arrests. Something Trump has no inhibitions about doing. According to the DHS, 75% of the 680 illegals arrested in last weeks raid had criminal records. Which [obviously] means 25% did not. I don't support deporting individuals if they're here working, providing for a family, with no criminal charges.

Quote (Beowulf @ Feb 17 2017 03:19pm)

How many were something like social security card related? I feel like the people that did something social security card related to work or whatever should have a process to stay as well after some reasonable penalties/punishments depending on details of course.

I have no problem deporting violent people or people that have shown to be a public nuisance or threat but a lot of times "criminal history" can include some/a lot of people I wouldn't want to see removed.

Quote (IgoSoHard @ Feb 17 2017 01:42pm)

I have no idea man. I agree with you 100% though, I'd like to see the specifics of their "criminal history." Are these aggressive J-walkers ? Did they get pulled over & have a joint on them ? Or do they have repeated convictions from selling crack, theft, etc. The details matter

Quote (IgoSoHard @ Feb 17 2017 02:42pm)

I have no idea man. I agree with you 100% though, I'd like to see the specifics of their "criminal history." Are these aggressive J-walkers ? Did they get pulled over & have a joint on them ? Or do they have repeated convictions from selling crack, theft, etc. The details matter

Quote (Beowulf @ Feb 17 2017 02:57pm)

Something I am concerned about with a very hard stance (at least in tone thus far) is the administration using 1 felony to snag up place full of people which we have seen and are not sure if it'll get worse.

Thus far we can't say he has done any better or worse than past administrations but I do get worried with his tone and the excitement many supporters get for kicking people out. Like a lot of issues he will get more criticized than his predecessors because of tone and temperament but hopefully we don't see a real boost in non threat deportations.

He does have a job to do and it is something his supporters are passionate about but hopefully we stick to the troublemakers rather than using troublemakers as a way to catch more people in general.

Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 17 2017 02:01pm)

cant forget the possibility that their "crime" is coming here illegally and working off the books. whenever a politician says they're going after "criminal aliens" and not "violent criminal aliens" that crosses my mind.

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