from the high point in 2007, we're seeing the reduction in violent crime that one would expect from a country with a rapidly aging population and a rapidly shrinking unemployment rate. until 2014 that is, when the influx of large numbers of refugees from archaic third world countries began to pick up pace.

also, your chart strongly indicates that the level of voilent crime in germany in 2017 or 2018 is indeed a lot higher than in 92.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 16 2018 08:42pm

so, heinrich von goebbels, descendant of joseph asks for stats on ‘gangbang crime’ or what can be only determined as asking for gang/gang sexual-assault crime stats in germany.

the data is provided.

and then the entire convo is shifted for pages by goebbels’ grandson and oher euro-based apologist lefties (likely following in the footsteps of their surrendering ancestors) to overall crime in germany dropping, vs. the specific crimes being discussed sharply rising

which ironically makes the specific crime rises look even more damning

what a surprise that you outright ignored ALL the other aspects i laid out (increased willingness to report in general, the fact that the likelihood of reporting is significantly higher when the criminal looks 'foreign'...) to focus exclusively on blaming refugees - who could have predicted that? oh right, i actually did...

which 'archaic third world countries' invaded us between '94 and '97, as well as between '01 and '07 again? and how many refugees did we deport to explain the decrease between '16 and '17?
do you actually not realise how idiotic this simplistic way of approaching a certain problem is?

this is code for ‘i heinrich, goebbels grandson dont like data’

e: reported, btw

This post was edited by excellence on Jul 16 2018 09:08pm

It's well know, anywhere, that when a massive flux of migrants* occurs theres some crime rate increase, then getting lower in a few years.
Btw: "#metoo" wave ? Nono, it's all about migrants for sure.
*At this point it's important to talk in ratio instead of total numbers.


Keep parroting the same SHIT again and again, only talking about this, assholes populists.

the rise in the late 90s and early 00s coincided with the economic downturn and high unemployment levels in germany.



those are claims made by you and fellow apologists of the dark side-effects of multiculturalism. do you have any data or facts to back up those claims? and proof that the willingness to report has indeed risen specifically in 2016 and 2017; any hard proof that the likelihood of reporting is significantly higher when the criminal looks foreign?

until you provide sources to back up those claims, I'll consider this specific argument of yours to be hollow and unsubstantiated.

the second point to make about the "increase in the willingness to report crimes"-argument is that it makes sense for shoplifting, groping and perhaps mugging - but certainly not for crimes like murder, aggravated assault or rape. to contend that those types of crimes are significantly underreported (which is a prerequisite for the argument of "differing report rates" to have any plausibility) is just silly.

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you refer to one specific statistic, which looks at the aggregate numbers for violent crime. however, the category of 'violent crime' is numerically dominated by bodily harm and aggravated battery, which both have gone down in 2017 when compared with 2016. murder and rape, which are majorized by assault type crimes in the umbrella category of "violent crime", have gone up again in 2017:

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article176439605/Drei-Jahres-Bilanz-BKA-legt-umfangreichen-Bericht-zur-Kriminalitaet-von-Zuwanderern-vor.html


"For solved cases of sexual offenses (excluding cases of the newly introduced criminal offense of "insult on sexual basis", which was introduced in late 2016 and thus cannot be compared between the two years in question), we have 3597 cases in 2017, compared with 3404 cases in 2016. So the numbers went up by about 200 cases."


"In spite of the overall trend of declining numbers of crudeness offenses in 2017, the number of such cases with a migrant as suspect has risen slightly. According to the federal criminal police office, the level (of migrants suspected of crudeness offenses) is at its highest level in five years."


"There have been 335 cases of manslaughter (with a migrant as suspect) in 2017 (2016: 296). Murder cases (with a migrant as suspect) amounted to 82 in 2017, in 2016 it had been 75."


"The number of shoplifting cases decrased to 75748, down from 92229 in 2016."

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 16 2018 09:41pm

for the kids who can't read good and want to learn how to do other stuff good too:


snipa:
'at least in america the gangbangs are voluntary, unlike [in] your country.'


fender:
just curious, what gangbang experiences did you have in germany, or what statistic do you base that CLAIM (america: voluntary - germany: involuntary) on?



and then the hacks (and illiterates) start their ignorant circle jerk concerning their chosen strawman, completely ignoring (and even explicitly refusing to address) the original premise of the question: a comparison with america that allegedly makes this just a 'hyperbolic joke', and not the uninformed rambling of an eternally butthurt trench boy.





ah i see, so it's just the refugees then, like i correctly predicted you'd claim. all other arguments can be dismissed, gotcha. i just 'made them up' and then (accidentally i assume?) still confirmed at least the factual and objective part of your xenophobic hysteria? makes total sense...

i really thought you'd be at least OPEN to reason, nuance, and facts, but unfortunately you're just one of those pretending to be, but never actually changing their position in the slightest.
well, you got what you wanted, i acknowledged at least part of your talking points - and that won't change ofc because unlike you, i value facts more than simplistic political narratives...


just one thing that invalidates your whole disgusting rant: rape, the main topic of this whole conversation IS a very much underreported crime and that HAS changed lately. you'd know that if you weren't living in a bubble that simply does not accept conflicting information. it also doesn't exactly require a genius to understand why rape by family members and acquaintances is even significantly more underreported than the one committed by strangers, let alone 'foreigners' - but of course that's all rocket science for someone who just doesn't want it to be true and portray every inconvenient argument as 'apologetic fiction'...

He may in fact be a "butthurt trenchboy" as you say, but in this analogy you are the well trodden mud and excrement clogging up the trenches and stinking up the battlefield.

classy as usual...