It is to justify the bombing, this is done in basically every war. I don't know how much support they lose, how do you quantify that? How much do they have currently?

X is filled with emotional idiots and policy shouldn't be directed by it. The same people will be saying "oh jeez I think you've gone too far" when the natural consequences of what they support come to fruition. The tone is already switching but it doesn't matter because it is already too late, it has served its purpose.

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Oct 12 2023 02:17pm

Max Blumenthal is literally a Russian/Lebanese propaganda mouthpiece. That's like linking Al Jazeera to excuse a story that casts Qatar in a bad light.
Just like penis_hat already explained, there was zero reason to doubt the reports of the atrocities in the first place. We knew Hamas killed everyone indiscriminately, we knew they desecrated the corpses and beheaded and burned people, we knew dozens of babies were dead. What fanciful hangup do you have about digesting the fact that Hamas beheaded and burned the babies, too? Did you think they drew the moral line there? Or that they just decided to kill all the babies with AK-47 rounds because that's somehow more humane?



1. The actual count of number of babies killed in any location isn't specific to an exact number, it was given as ~40 children and infants for Kfar Ava alone, possibly just the daycare that was attacked but possibly the whole town, they didn't specifiy
2. Yes, there are all kinds of independent reports confirming that numerous babies were beheaded and babies burned, and pictures already exist of that on the internet which you truly do not need to see.

Here's a safe link that doesn't show any of them;
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-767951



Those pictures are out in the public and on social media, so I would advise some caution on what you click on

This post was edited by Goomshill on Oct 12 2023 02:20pm

while i largely agree with this assessment its sounding more and more like bombing the road out was done at the behest of Egypt along with the last peace agreement Israel and Egypt made where Egypt requested to never ever again have anything to do with Gaza after the last time. when they took in a bunch, who started a coup and tried to overtake their govt. same happened in lebanon and jordan, which is why jordan all by abandoned the west bank.

it seems even the muslim allies cant differentiate between palestinian citizens and hamas.



imo, she could have retracted that statement 3 seconds after she said it and it wouldnt have changed support at all. the world watched the gang rapes and burning corpses, beheading babies wasnt even a cherry on top.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 12 2023 02:21pm

Okay? What does that have to do with anything. That isn't the reality, and the majority of people who are going to actually pay for Hamas are not people even associated with Hamas. That's the reality. But again who cares about that. Born wrong place, wrong time, am I right?

Do you really think the majority of people there support Hamas, do you think that across most African countries the majority of people actually support whatever oppressive dictator resides over them at the time. Or do you think they just don't want to be shot and try to live out some life with minimal pain and suffering.

I know its been ingrained over the past 20 years in America that rag head and brown man means big bomb, boom bad, but the majority are just people now being bombed that were born in the wrong place at the wrong time.

This post was edited by SBD on Oct 12 2023 02:26pm

Apparently the moderates. The far right and the far left are the same in their hatred.

Its not like there was anything to retract. Does the world really need to make that hairsplitting distinction between "40 decapitated baby corpses" and "40 baby corpses, some decapitated, some burned, some turned into chunky salsa"
Every step of 2023 I feel like my reductio ad absurdums become impossible when I can't even think of a more extreme scenario to compare it to for sake of argument. We could be discussing whether an african cannibal tribe raped all the women they abducted before eating their brains or just ate boiled meat off them and it would still be less sickening than this story

any baby killed in any way is enough to turn a sane person's stomach, as is evident by the "lol u got fooled" crowd posting dead gazan babies to "own israel". but also how they died is SUUUUUUPER crucial.

i dont always agree with you old friend, as u know well, but you've got this one down to 100% accuracy.

I didnt doubt them, I was just as shocked as everyone else. As usual with these viral reports, I was curious and searched for some confirmations from objective news sources but couldnt find any.
here we are a few days later... there's still no confirmation and in addition, all the reputable reporting agencies are walking back their claims that it happened. the IDF wont even say its true.

so you say, "who cares if they were beheaded or not, theyre still dead"
its a tragedy either way, but now more than ever its important to not believe every single thing you read on the internet.

my question to you is, wheres the outrage over thousands of innocent Palestinian kids being murdered?
what about over the last few decades? what about how many kids the IDF soldiers shot and killed for throwing rocks at them ? no one gave a shit about kids dying then
why the hypocrisy goom?

The only videos/pics I saw initially were a couple from families recording from windows, people running from the concert, burning wreckage from rocket attacks, pictures of the bodies surrounding cars that looked to be shot, video of hamas kidnapping people and parading them in the street. Didn't see any gang rapes. You said you saw them so I assume they exist but I don't think everyone saw that.

And yes she could have retracted the statement 3 seconds later and it wouldnt have changed anything, making the statement and how it is used afterwards are the important parts.

One problem with your graph. It’s Hamas that attacks Israel and that’s why there’s a one sided death count.