Quote (addone @ Feb 24 2023 03:57pm)
Examples of New Testament Contradictions
In the New Testament, there are contradictions between the genealogies of Jesus given in the first chapter of Matthew and the third chapter of Luke.
Both genealogies begin with Jesus’ father, who is identified as Joseph (which is curious, given that Mary was supposedly impregnated by the Holy Ghost). But Matthew says Joseph’s father was Jacob, while Luke claims he was Heli. Matthew lists 26 generations between Jesus and King David, whereas Luke records 41. Matthew runs Jesus’ line of descent through David’s son Solomon, while Luke has it going through David’s son Nathan.
The story of Jesus’ birth is also contradictory. Matthew 2:13-15 depicts Joseph and Mary as fleeing to Egypt with the baby Jesus immediately after the wise men from the east had brought gifts.
But Luke 2:22-40 claims that after the birth of Jesus, his parents remained in Bethlehem for the time of Mary’s purification (which was 40 days, under the Mosaic law). Afterwards, they brought Jesus to Jerusalem “to present him to the Lord,” and then returned to their home in Nazareth. Luke mentions no journey into Egypt or visit by wise men from the east.
Concerning the death of Judas, the disloyal disciple, Matthew 27:5 states he took the money he had received for betraying Jesus, threw it down in the temple, and “went and hanged himself.” To the contrary, Acts 1:18 claims Judas used the money to purchase a field and “falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.”
In describing Jesus being led to his execution, John 19:17 recounts that he carried his own cross. But Mark 15:21-23 disagrees by saying a man called Simon carried the cross.
As for the crucifixion, Matthew 27:44 tells us Jesus was taunted by both criminals who were being crucified with him. But Luke 23:39-43 relates that only one of the criminals taunted Jesus, the other criminal rebuked the one who was doing the taunting, and Jesus told the criminal who was defending him, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
Regarding the last words of Jesus while on the cross, Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 quote Jesus as crying with a loud voice, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” Luke 23:46 gives his final words as, “Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.” John 19:30 alleges the last words were, “It is finished.”
There are even contradictions in the accounts of the resurrection – the supposed event that is the very foundation of the Christian religion. Mark 16:2 states that on the day of the resurrection, certain women arrived at the tomb at the rising of the sun. But John 20:1 informs us they arrived when it was yet dark. Luke 24:2 describes the tomb as open when the women arrived, whereas Matthew 28:1-2 indicates it was closed. Mark 16:5 declares that the women saw a young man at the tomb, Luke 24:4 says they saw two men, Matthew 28:2 reports they saw an angel, and John 20:11-12 claims they saw two angels.
Also in the resurrection stories, there are contradictions as to the identity of the women who came to the tomb,[7] whether the men or angels the women saw were inside or outside the tomb,[8] whether the men or angels were standing or sitting,[9] and whether Mary Magdalene recognized the risen Jesus when he first appeared to her.[10]
As a final example of a New Testament contradiction, the conflicting accounts of Paul’s conversion can be cited. Acts 9:7 states that when Jesus called Paul to preach the gospel, the men who were with Paul heard a voice but saw no man. According to Acts 22:9, however, the men saw a light but didn’t hear the voice speaking to Paul.
The foregoing examples are just a few of the hundreds of contradictions contained in the Old and New Testaments. Each contradiction is an instance where at least one of the verses is wrong. Thus, hundreds of contradictions mean there are at least hundreds of incorrect statements in the Bible.
the renaming of this thread inspired by the phrase "gish gallop"
ADDONE'S DASHthe list so far
op in his own godhood pronouncing people to be "innocent", #19
op leaves out scripture posting his own version, covered #22
op insists we live in the age of "enlightenment" refuses to address the horrific practice of "transing/mutilation" of children which seems more of a going back wards.., #23
rather than address my challenge he opts to accuse me of "make shit up", page 3 #24
remember the trick. if the scripture has deviation which is common among eyewitness accounts its a "contradiction" if its to similar its "plagiarism" (set up a no win game)
(perhaps what is most noticeable is the op's lack of scriptural knowledge while he tells you what to think of scripture............typical of atheists/antitheists, ya seems rather hypocritical, oddly enough they seem oblivious to it.)
op lacks familiarity with the peculiarities of eyewitness testimonies. will he research it or will he ignore what may challenge to his preconceptions
page 2 quote #11 "4th contradiction"
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In describing Jesus being led to his execution, John 19:17 recounts that he carried his own cross. But Mark 15:21-23 disagrees by saying a man called Simon carried the cross
the complaint "contradiction" a simple lack of detail in one accounting. this stuff is pretty weak and smacks of desperation. will the op ever look into the peculiarities of eyewitness testimonies?
just as the titanic example the ship still sinks........ Jesus still arrives with the cross
Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 24 2023 05:31pm)
I read the bible when i was 10 and became an atheist, too many contradictions and too much clear human feelings and opinions.
Even 10 year old me could tell that the moral leanings of the times greatly affected what was being written, paul being the worst.
(Also i was SA'd by a member of the clergy), may have also had a tiny effect on my faith.
you ever consider you might still be 10?