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Dec 22 2022 07:51pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 22 2022 12:04pm)
this is what you said. which i took to mean that an official should voluntarily act. if a judge orders it they have no choice, the judge has the choice.

1. controversial election happens
2. loser cries foul
3. official lets them "take a look"

and im sure in some cases voluntarily handing over that info could be a violation of the law. theres a reason it requires a warrant.



Bro you are taking what I originally said so literal. I wasn’t saying for Katie Hobbs herself to hand over hundreds of thousands of ballots and say, “here ya go!”

I was saying I would like anybody on her side to just say what I said. Instead of allowing the media to go ham with conspiracy nonsense why not simply acknowledge there were problems in over 1/3 of the facilities in Maricopa, and just say we also want to get to the bottom of this and see what the official result is.

Instead she threatens county officials with charges if they don’t hurry the fuck up and declare her the victor. I am sorry but there is a lot of shady shit that many people want answers for.
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Dec 22 2022 08:12pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Dec 22 2022 05:51pm)
I am sorry but there is a lot of shady shit that many people want answers for.


It sure would be nice to get these answers, but the dipshits here who support the cheating love that we won't ever get them. They've given up having better ideas, and just brazenly admit, you're a conquered people. Don't ask questions.
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Dec 22 2022 08:15pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Dec 22 2022 12:55am)
I would like to see somebody just say, “we have nothing to hide, look at everything you think may be suspicious.”

I have not heard this in any controversial election discussions.


Apply this argument to literally any republican being investigated and you'd start screaming foul.
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Dec 22 2022 09:27pm
Quote (Sioux @ Dec 22 2022 08:15pm)
Apply this argument to literally any republican being investigated and you'd start screaming foul.



Quote one single example of me going against my personal principles to defend a Republican politician and I will delete my account after spending $200 on forum gold to donate to you.

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Dec 23 2022 01:36am



From somebody who is actually there watching the trial and reporting honestly about the facts.
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Dec 24 2022 02:46pm
Quote (Beeetlejuice @ Dec 22 2022 01:41am)
Listened to the important parts of the court hearing and there was no smoking gun

Lawsuit probably gets tossed tmrw


Lawsuit tossed today. I was a day off

The judge said, "The Court cannot accept speculation or conjecture in place of clear and convincing evidence"



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Dec 24 2022 04:03pm
The lesson here is that if you can get away with election chicanery, you must do election chicanery, or die politically in obscurity. The system we apparently have is not designed to self-correct, or override what appears to be at best, staggering incompetence in administering an election. It's not a pretty solution, but it's the only solution in a country with deliberate and brazen voter disenfranchisement now built into the mix.

Think about it like your local grocery. The employees can do almost nothing to stop shoplifting, so many non-criminal customers feel cheated. Prices increase because of the shoplifters, who paid zero, while you, the trusting and trustworthy soul who follows the law, has to pay more, and you have no recourse. Why not become a shoplifter, then? Chances are most won't, but that feeling that you're getting dickballed at the register by criminals and you have no recourse is a pretty ugly feeling.
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Dec 24 2022 04:48pm
Quote (Thebarba @ Dec 24 2022 04:03pm)
The lesson here is that if you can get away with election chicanery, you must do election chicanery, or die politically in obscurity. The system we apparently have is not designed to self-correct, or override what appears to be at best, staggering incompetence in administering an election. It's not a pretty solution, but it's the only solution in a country with deliberate and brazen voter disenfranchisement now built into the mix.

Think about it like your local grocery. The employees can do almost nothing to stop shoplifting, so many non-criminal customers feel cheated. Prices increase because of the shoplifters, who paid zero, while you, the trusting and trustworthy soul who follows the law, has to pay more, and you have no recourse. Why not become a shoplifter, then? Chances are most won't, but that feeling that you're getting dickballed at the register by criminals and you have no recourse is a pretty ugly feeling.


Think about it like a DWI traffic stop...

Officer pulls someone over and arrests them for DWI because the officer "suspected" they were drinking and driving. They officer never gives the person a breathalyzer, just arrested the driver because they "suspected" they were drunk...they go to court and the judge asks, where is the proof? Did the pass a breathalyzer?

Since there was no proof the DWI gets tossed out in court.. you cant win a lawsuit without any proof and just opinions and conspiracy theories.

They judge gave her a chance to present evidence, not just opinions...she had no evidence of election fraud, just opinion. Lawsuit tossed.

End of the day, Kari lake is a loser
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Dec 24 2022 05:46pm
Quote (Beeetlejuice @ Dec 24 2022 02:48pm)
Think about it like a DWI traffic stop...

Officer pulls someone over and arrests them for DWI because the officer "suspected" they were drinking and driving. They officer never gives the person a breathalyzer, just arrested the driver because they "suspected" they were drunk...they go to court and the judge asks, where is the proof? Did the pass a breathalyzer?

Since there was no proof the DWI gets tossed out in court.. you cant win a lawsuit without any proof and just opinions and conspiracy theories.

They judge gave her a chance to present evidence, not just opinions...she had no evidence of election fraud, just opinion. Lawsuit tossed.

End of the day, Kari lake is a loser


This line of thinking is at least a standard deviation lower than my analogy, and reflects the exact mind that tinpot dictators love to have around. I speak truth to power, you speak against the truth on power's behalf.
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Dec 24 2022 08:46pm
So a good question to OP, who has responded earlier in this post expressing how concerned he is with people’s faith in democracy (lol) and unity.

What exactly does this do to quell any concerns about faith in the election process and unify any Arizonans? There are people under oath saying laws have been broken and human interference caused printers to essentially destroy ballots and we are just not going to hear any more and see where it goes?

I can say for a fact this case going no further has raised more questions than answers for many including myself. I have been saying I would like to just see the claims being disproven. The only way to restore faith in elections is to simply disprove the claims in court. This has still not happened, and now will absolutely not happen until the next contested election.

Go unity!! I stand with you brother!
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