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May 3 2022 09:37am
Quote (thesnipa @ 3 May 2022 17:14)
i never said meaningless. i said dumb, then later said stupid. those insults were directed towards conservatives who have been convinced that abortion is a tier 1 issue, when it shouldn't at all be. and they should focus their efforts on things like bolstering adoption or making the lives of mothers easier to lower abortion numbers.

as to the scotus i dont think its likely at all they take on campaign finance, but you asked what i think they should work on instead of abortion. what i want and what i think likely are as always drastically different conversations.


here's what i asked:

"which cases do you think scotus SHOULD focus on to keep you "competitive" with a genocidal dictatorship of 1.4 billion people?"

while i indeed didn't explicitly ask what you think scotus could realistically do, rather than deal with roe v. wade, to me it seemed pretty clear from the context of you claiming it was a "distraction" and me disagreeing, pointing out this was an important issue that does not prevent scotus from doing more important. still, i'll try to be more precise next time.

i mean, we basically agree on both abortion and campaign finance reform, so before this devolves into further pointless bickering and semantics let's just say we simply disagree on how important it really is.

i think overturning roe v. wade will be a significant step. considering its legal foundation, the right to privacy, overturning it will allow an assault on other landmark cases concerning contraceptives, gay marriage, pornography, homosexuality, interracial marriage, forced sterilization... a whole can of eugenics worms, none of which i would put past republicans to happily swallow...
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May 3 2022 09:46am
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this can’t possibly be true. Roberts said justices are not political. no one within the halls of the USSC would leak for political reasons

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May 3 2022 09:48am
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i think overturning roe v. wade will be a significant step. considering its legal foundation, the right to privacy, overturning it will allow an assault on other landmark cases concerning contraceptives, gay marriage, pornography, homosexuality, interracial marriage, forced sterilization... a whole can of eugenics worms, none of which i would put past republicans to happily swallow...


And that's what happens when you built a castle on quicksand. When you try to establish a series of rights that aren't enshrined in the constitution by constructing a legal fiction out of wholecloth, the sad truth is that it can be swept away overnight. Because it had no legal foundation. The US constitution doesn't say anything about a right to privacy. A right against unwarranted intrusion, search and seizure, sure. One that existed in common law since the days of magna carta. But the nebulous concept of a right to bodily autonomy and sexual identity? Its not in there. And it should be. But decades of what should have been fought in the battleground of the voter's beliefs and the legislator's powers, were instead left to courts to wrap up in a knot and keep kicking the can down the road. Fortunately the anti-discrimination statutes that did pass during the civil rights movement will serve as legal foundation to preserve most of those rights. We just needed the civil rights movement to keep going. Not put on robes.
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May 3 2022 09:49am
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this can’t possibly be true. Roberts said justices are not political. no one im the halls of the USSC would leak for political reasons


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May 3 2022 09:50am
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And that's what happens when you built a castle on quicksand. When you try to establish a series of rights that aren't enshrined in the constitution by constructing a legal fiction out of wholecloth, the sad truth is that it can be swept away overnight. Because it had no legal foundation. The US constitution doesn't say anything about a right to privacy. A right against unwarranted intrusion, search and seizure, sure. One that existed in common law since the days of magna carta. But the nebulous concept of a right to bodily autonomy and sexual identity? Its not in there. And it should be. But decades of what should have been fought in the battleground of the voter's beliefs and the legislator's powers, were instead left to courts to wrap up in a knot and keep kicking the can down the road. Fortunately the anti-discrimination statutes that did pass during the civil rights movement will serve as legal foundation to preserve most of those rights. We just needed the civil rights movement to keep going. Not put on robes.


Might as well go back and reverse Marbury v Madison, then.
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May 3 2022 09:56am
Quote (fender @ May 3 2022 10:37am)
here's what i asked:

"which cases do you think scotus SHOULD focus on to keep you "competitive" with a genocidal dictatorship of 1.4 billion people?"

while i indeed didn't explicitly ask what you think scotus could realistically do, rather than deal with roe v. wade, to me it seemed pretty clear from the context of you claiming it was a "distraction" and me disagreeing, pointing out this was an important issue that does not prevent scotus from doing more important. still, i'll try to be more precise next time.

i mean, we basically agree on both abortion and campaign finance reform, so before this devolves into further pointless bickering and semantics let's just say we simply disagree on how important it really is.

i think overturning roe v. wade will be a significant step. considering its legal foundation, the right to privacy, overturning it will allow an assault on other landmark cases concerning contraceptives, gay marriage, pornography, homosexuality, interracial marriage, forced sterilization... a whole can of eugenics worms, none of which i would put past republicans to happily swallow...


I think the fight to preserve the choice for women to abort is extremely important, my ire is predominately directed towards conservatives fooled into thinking this is an important matter, and on a tertiary level at both democrats and conservatives for buying into this bottom tier bullshit for decades while important issues were sidelined which got us to this deeply divided place of partisan politics. it goes beyond legislation, we turned politics into a heavyweight boxing match where both trade blows but no one ever gets knocked out. we changed "what we all agree on" from "what we can get done since we both agree" to "not important, lets focus only on our disagreement". watching people debate trans bathrooms, abortion, border security, student loan forgiveness, and many other tier 3 issues as a centrist while serious issues dont get addressed at all is mind numbing, i just get to a point where i want to replace humans with robots and watch their family trees forever stunted.
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May 3 2022 10:08am
Quote (Goomshill @ 3 May 2022 17:48)
And that's what happens when you built a castle on quicksand. When you try to establish a series of rights that aren't enshrined in the constitution by constructing a legal fiction out of wholecloth, the sad truth is that it can be swept away overnight. Because it had no legal foundation. The US constitution doesn't say anything about a right to privacy. A right against unwarranted intrusion, search and seizure, sure. One that existed in common law since the days of magna carta. But the nebulous concept of a right to bodily autonomy and sexual identity? Its not in there. And it should be. But decades of what should have been fought in the battleground of the voter's beliefs and the legislator's powers, were instead left to courts to wrap up in a knot and keep kicking the can down the road. Fortunately the anti-discrimination statutes that did pass during the civil rights movement will serve as legal foundation to preserve most of those rights. We just needed the civil rights movement to keep going. Not put on robes.


it's not "quicksand" if you don't have corrupt politicians appointing activist judges in order to undermine rights that a significant majority of the population agrees on (!), to pander to a (religious) bigots. by that standard, literally everything could be labeled "quicksand" - even the constitution has amendments as i'm sure you're aware. the fact that it COULD be technically more difficult to overturn it (wonder who prevented this) should not distract us from the fact that the upcoming decision is not legal necessity (although i'm sure the cowardly bigots will do their best mental gymnastics to pretend it is) but political will of a minority at work. oh wait, distracting from that is exactly what you're trying to do there...
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May 3 2022 10:09am
Almost forgot about CPI index while talking about this.
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