Not even remotely close.

I'm not going to just let you take the conversation wherever you want. You responded to my thread where I laid out my argument. If you want to talk about something else, then acknowledge that all categories are social constructs (and therefore gender is a social construct) and we can move on to another aspect you want to talk about.

Although to be honest I don't think there's much conversation to be had after that. I understand and acknowledge that biology influences behavior, that categories are generally based on observations, etc. etc.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Mar 31 2022 12:01pm

No two objects are the same. Therefore we should only categorize every single object into its own category. Since we are categorizing based on differences.

A monkey will recognize that a monkey is a monkey. But it might be an angry monkey, it might be a monkey it recognizes or doesnt recognize, it might even be a sexy monkey and it gets his little monkey hips thrusting. It might be a family monkey. It might be a big monkey or a little monkey. It might see it as a monkey it can win in a fight, or a monkey it knows it will lose in a fight. It might be, a big, hostile, angry monkey that it doesnt recognize that it would lose in a fight against. Thats 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 different categories that monkey just got dropped in to.

Even in nature, without words or sentience, animals recognize differences and similarities in certain things and it drives their behavior.
The gender of that animal will impact the way it observes and interacts with its surroundings, as well as other animals. A male black bear interacts with the world entirely differently than a female black bear. They recognize eachother as similar but different.

Wild animals CLASSIFY things in their surroundings and CATEGORIZE them to ensure their survival - they just didnt invent words to express those classifications and categories to us or to other animals. That doesnt mean it doesnt happen. Humans just came up with a way to discuss it.

Again, recognizing differences isn't the same as classifying. I have two monitors on my desk that are from the same manufacturer but behave slightly differently. I don't classify them into two separate monitors.

You are hitting on a few interesting things here, but the most fundamental mistake you are making is that classifications are not made on the basis of differences. They are made on the basis of similarities.

So a monkey might classify: "Things that can kill me" or "Things that might kill me" or "Things that wont kill me". Its the same idea just coming at it from the other side. If I classify things that are similar then by virtue everything else is left as not similar.

To bring that back to the original point, even animals recognize the differences and similarities between their gendered counterparts and interact with each other differently. It is not a human construct, it is nature. It just... is.

Yes, minds categorize things. I'm glad you understand that.

Now, imagine if there were no minds. Would there still be categories?

Holy fuck guy, nature isnt made up of rocks and dirt. What if the universe didnt exist, would there still be categories? If Train A leaves Penn stattion at 6:45 travelling 45 MPH, would there still be categories?

What an absolutely asinine thing to say. I didnt realize your base argument was set in the multi-verse whereits possible that living things dont have minds.

You are saying gender is a societal construct. I have rebutted saying no, even wild animals recognize gender and interact different based on gender. And your biggest reach is to ask that.

Fuck me, have a good day.

A billion years ago when no minds existed on Earth, were there still categories? There's no reason to be mad dude. It's a simple question.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Mar 31 2022 12:42pm

you made this thread after responding to me saying what im saying here in another thread, and it getting closed.

Circle takes the square.

all labels are social constructs, defining categories narrowly enough to basically equal labels is reductionist and semantic in order to skirt my point.

by and large trans females are biological males born with the brain chemical makeup closer associated with females. colloquially referred to as the male and female brain. these chemicals, more than societal influence, drives people to transition. they're a brain born in the wrong body, because their brain has the opposite in the binary chemical makeup.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 31 2022 12:48pm