I'm being genuine here when I say, you sound super angry right now. I really mean it. Something you want to get off your chest?

Oh so the way people have a say in the governance of their country is by violently overthrowing their democratically elected government? Ukraine was a democracy. Half the country, the eastern half, supported the man the voted into office. The other half decided to revolt. What agency did the people of Crimea, Donetsk and Lutansk have in their country when their lawfully elected leadership was removed in a coup d'etat, then replaced by people the CIA micromanaged? The people of Crimea held a democratic referendum on how to respond to the coup. America said the coup we backed was legitimate but the vote was not.

And now we back Nazi war criminals and have PBS give them puff piece interviews

This is the way the world has always worked though. Revolutions happen all the time and you become legitimate by holding on to that power. The country that you live in was founded on that principle...

While true, the key takeaway here is that the narrative claiming Ukraine as a beacon of democracy and justice as a propaganda tool is largely a farce and only legitimate based on America's geopolitical interests. So people who are susceptible to propaganda (most people) will go along with the message, while autists who aren't will dare to ask questions about America's developing Casus Belli.

Well the point being made here was about representation. The right to self governance of a people. America was founded by revolution in the name of representation, people who were taxed subjects of a foreign king. Democracy was a novelty they reinvented. Ukraine was already a democracy post USSR. They rejected that democracy and seized power by force, leading to the dissolution of their country.

They've had elections post-revolution just like the South has had elections post Civil War. The legitimacy of the government post-revolution could be argued but since 2019 it's most certainly a democracy.

The election held after Euromaidan didnt include half the country. People in Crimea were already under Russia's umbrella and Lutansk/Donetsk boycotted it. Its like the comparison I fed to saucy about what if Trump was installed via an insurrection, then California and New York seceded, and the GOP won the next election in a landslide, after putting arrest warrants for all the democrats. Course that bounced off the frog who didnt realize I was talking about Ukraine and said its completely unrealistic

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 12 2022 02:34am

Every single person in Russian occupied lutansk and Donetsk cops have voted against zelensky and he still would have won.

Still would have won, what? An election in which the Party of Regions didn't even participate? Consisting of politicians they would arrest on sight if they were ever in western Ukraine? We know whether Yanukovych would win a national election in a unified Ukrainian state, because the last legitimate election in the country was the one he won. I'm sure that in the New Confederate States of America with Eternal God-Emperor Donald Trump, his 99.9987% vote supermajority and 100% turnout in the 2032 elections would be so large that even if the California and New York breakaway republics had all voted against him, he'd still win.

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