Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 22 2022 03:31pm)

You're being willfully obtuse.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 22 2022 10:31pm)

You're being willfully obtuse. Santara was clearly saying in a prolonged war when farmers take up weapons to fight in a war that could last several growing seasons the USA farmers can accommodate the global shortage by growing less ethanol/syrup corn, and instead grow wheat.

you somehow spun this into santara saying that we'd do this in real time, simply because he used the word easily. despite him correcting you lol.

Quote (Djunior @ Mar 19 2022 01:59pm)

This.

All dumbchits that are applauding the ongoing escalations have no idea of the long term ramifications. And as usual it will be the poorest countries that are going to suffer, those that are depending on Russian wheat, corn, etc.

Quote (Djunior @ Jul 22 2022 06:42am)

Wrong, they're going to step it up.

They just announced that they will be taking more Ukrainian territory due to the threat of Western supplied long-range weapons. Sending weapons to Ukraine working as intended I guess hmm?

Now the main point, if Ukraine would indeed push the Russians out which it can only do with massive Western support, what is stopping Putin declaring Russia is under threat? Russia has massive mobilization potential:

Russian mobilization potential around 12 minutes mark. Russia defeated? They haven't started yet.

DPR/LPR raw recruits up to 65 y/o (!!!) thrown into battle in Ukraine starting around the 32 minute mark. They're not Russians but Ukrainians fighting Ukrainians now think about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKewF8_SiIs

Quote (Djunior @ Jul 22 2022 03:16pm)

You know what's really funny? That I explained to him months back that most of it is winter wheat that needs to be planted in fall https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&o=2190




Try again snipa :rofl:

Quote (Santara @ Mar 19 2022 11:24am)

Also, the world isn't going to starve while Ukrainian farmers swap plows for swords. American farmers produce 10x as much corn as Ukraine produces wheat, which is mostly wasted in ethanol production. And guess what! This year's crop hasn't even begun planting yet, and if American farmers foresee a spike in wheat prices due to a shortfall elsewhere, they can easily take up the slack. Easily.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 22 2022 03:31pm)

You're being willfully obtuse. Santara was clearly saying in a prolonged war when farmers take up weapons to fight in a war that could last several growing seasons the USA farmers can accommodate the global shortage by growing less ethanol/syrup corn, and instead grow wheat.

you somehow spun this into santara saying that we'd do this in real time, simply because he used the word easily. despite him correcting you lol.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 9 2022 11:58am)

https://atlas-report.com/reasons-why-putin-already-lost-the-war-in-ukraine/

- Russia won’t be able to occupy Ukraine ( same than below)
- Russia won’t be able to demilitarize Ukraine (So true, it's size of France + West Germany...)
- Russia won’t be able to weaken NATO (discussable, because a strong change in Russia can question NATO treaty)
- Russia won’t be able to divide the European Union (United it even more)
- Russia is getting its economy destroyed by sanctions (to be confirmed)


What output can we expect from the changes in EU-RUSSIA relation ? Is it a good thing for USA ?

Maybe Russia could pay rebuild and all various costs with its Oil, Natural gas, Minerals.

Imo the best would have to get ex-Russia to join EU, would take a decade or more btw...

Quote (El1te @ 22 Jul 2022 00:53)

Ukraine has only been a country for 30 years, it's always been part of Rus, except when it was occupied by Turks

Quote (Santara @ Jul 23 2022 12:20am)

Looks like you're attempting to rewrite the conversation. What I said:



...to which:



...is an excellent summarization.

Quote (Djunior @ Jul 23 2022 08:17am)

You're still wrong, millions of ppl rely on that wheat and you don't have a fucking time-machine so you can't plant a shit-ton of winter wheat last fall or can you ;)

Quote (Ironfister @ Jul 23 2022 04:17am)

Not really. Ukrainians were fighting for their country since XVII century, with intense fight for 100 years already. They were also part of Poland, part of Austria also.

Quote (Djunior @ Jul 23 2022 08:17am)

You're still wrong, millions of ppl rely on that wheat and you don't have a fucking time-machine so you can't plant a shit-ton of winter wheat last fall or can you ;)

Quote (Santara @ Jul 23 2022 08:41am)

At no point did I imply that it would be replaced overnight. You're grasping.