if a 15 year old is old enough to do life in prison.... well.... arent they old enough for other stuff?

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That's how the law of consent works its either yes or no. Too many personal/religious opinions are thrown around and just muddies the waters
I would have it bumped to 18 universally as well but I am respectful to not involve myself in legal consensual relationship of others. If we start doing that it becomes invasion of privacy and moral blackmail

I'm more of a traditional guy, but IMO a date is when you want to get to know someone based on their life history, in the hopes of building a potential future with.


To be fair, a 16 year old can look much older when they are going through the "i want to look older!" phase. But at the same time, it's definitely a creepy vibe and huge red flags. The question should be: Why doesn't the guy want to date someone in their low 20s instead? The onus is on him

A date is an open ended event. A prostitute is a transaction. A call girl is a prostitute that says she isn’t and just so happens to wanna have sex after a bunch a money and gifts come around. An e-girl is a girl you pay to not date you. A cam girl is a nude model/porn star that streams. A porn star is a prostitute but with cameras and paperwork. Did I miss any?

Yes, a sugar daddy;



Isn't the ambiguity of such a relationship kind of the point? Intentionally blurring the lines of consensual relationships and prostitution, the modern day courtesan.

I don't think it's that ambiguous depending on any documented messages between the defendant and the minors involved in the case(s), which I imagine the prosecution has. Additionally, the defendant engaged in obstruction and utilized a 19-year-old intermediary to facilitate some of the initial connections.

It also seems that some of these connections were via Seeking Arrangement. What would you say is the "arrangement" that the defendant and the minors were likely to be entering into?

Prosecutors love to drip out the most damning evidence in their press releases and pretrial statements because they can get away with it and makes their one-sided case look better. If they had texts showing explicit quid-pro-quo, don't you think we'd have heard about it? The allegation of obstruction comes from the dispute over an NDA and the he-said-she-said over whether he was trying to silencer her or she was trying to extort him, and in that case the defense says they have text messages that will show it. If there was unambiguous evidence showing explicit arrangement of money for sex, that would be a 'commercial sex act', but there's nothing so far making that claim. And in the absence of that, the "arrangement" of Seeking Arrangement is the sugar daddy relationship, which is set up with implicit expectations, not explicit guarantees. Something the site takes pains to maintain, banning overt prostitution on its platform. So that leaves us back at the fundamental question, where does the line get drawn between consensual relationships and prostitution?

But I'm also reading that he paid the 19-year-old for every minor that she facilitated a connection to, and largely would recruit the girls via Instagram. What do you make of that?

Lol they seized 13 cell phones and 400k in cash from his apartment too. Not suspicious at all.

What's the distinction between matchmaking and pimping? It seems the same as dating vs prostitution, no?