Feel free to share that original source when you have the chance.

What's the point? You're so far gone in the cult it isn't worth the effort. It's sad honestly

I don't take the evidence in Mueller's report as the US government's comprehensive case against Kilimnik. Even considering that, the evidence they do lay out provides a circumstantial case that he's connected to Russian intelligence.

Manafort was a top political advisor to the Russian-supported leader of Ukraine, so how in the world does working for Manafort contradict the theory that Kilimnik is an agent of Russian intelligence? And someone working for the IRI is a perfect target for Russian intelligence. Just because he isn't clocking in every day at GRU headquarters doesn't mean he's not a Russian agent.

The only reason you doubt the US government's assessment on Kilimnik is because it looks bad for Manafort, and thus looks bad for Trump. The US government almost never divulges all of it's intelligence to the public to back up a claim they are making, so it's silly to expect them to. If you doubt the assessment of Kilimnik by the bipartisan Senate investigation, the Special Counsel, and the FBI, you're essentially in "lies by the deep state globalists!!" territory.

We have a different understanding of what it means to be in a cult. Personally, I am worried for you guys, you're sitting around circle-jerking to Maddow mumbling about "walls closing in" years after the Special Counsel assigned to investigate the accusations of collusion concluded that there was insufficient evidence to establish any coordination or conspiracy between Russia and the Trump campaign.

Let's recap the thread. Thor says collusion is a fact. When confronted with Mueller's conclusions to the contrary, he claims that Mueller never said that and, instead, referred the matter to Congress. When this is demonstrated to be untrue, he pivots to the argument that Manafort giving Kilimnik polling data is the smoking gun missing from the Mueller report. When reminded that this was contemporary to the original report (and covered at length), he claims he made a mistake and that the real proof is that we now know that Kilimnik is tied to Russian intelligence. Unfortunately, this isn't new information, and is also discussed within the report. Now you've picked up where he left off. The claim is that Kilimnik lives on a GRU base.



You're conflating Mueller/FBI, the Senate Intel Committee, and the Treasury Press release. Mueller says that Kilimnik has Russian intelligence ties. The Senate Intel committee calls him a Russian intelligence operative. The Treasury release provides no new information and can be safely disregarded. Of the three, Mueller gets closest to the truth. Kilimnik's private sector career has consisted of working with the IRI and Manafort. With Manafort, he worked as a political consultant on behalf of Deripaska and various Ukrainian oligarchs. By virtue of his career path, it's safe to say that he has ties to Russian intelligence, it's a requirement of the job. His ability to interface with Ukrainian and Russian counterparts is what made him valuable in the first place to Manafort. His middleman position raises security risks, which the Intel committee notes, as he has every reason to share information with others insofar as it benefits him personally.

Kilimnik left the IRI job to work with Manafort, consulting with various Ukrainian oligarchs. If he was supposed to stay with the IRI to monitor for political information, he did an exceptionally poor job. He left to work with Manafort because he wanted to make more money, and as a private individual, his best chance of making money was with Manafort lobbying on behalf of various Ukrainian figures. This is entirely consistent with Mueller's analysis. It would be great to understand why the Senate Intel committee felt differently, but we'll unfortunately have to wait for them to release their analysis.

When French newspapers doubted US intelligence during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the CIA visited the newspaper and supplied them with additional evidence. The last time we gave US intelligence a carte blanche on trust, we invaded Iraq looking for WMDs that didn't exist. As they say "Fool me once...".

So to summarize Bogie's numerous moving goalposts

1. There's nothing special about campaign polling data, so there's no reason to turn it over
2. Okay, so he turned it over, but it wasn't for any nefarious reasons. It was to secure business opportunities.
3. Okay, so there's no reason to secure more opportunities, but nobody says Kilimnik's involved in Russian intelligence.
4. Okay, there are groups that say he's involved, but not in the Mueller report, and something something something deep state can't be trusted and neither can the bipartisan committee.



So basically it all boils down to Bogie gleefully eating up intelligence agencies information when it suits him (basically anything that justifies further involvement in the middle east and foreign affairs) and making the whole "if they made a mistake once nothing can be trusted" when it doesn't.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Nov 7 2021 05:17pm

1/2. The reason to sent it to Kilimnik is covered in who Kilimnik was asked to forward the data to. I.e. Ukrainian business partners and Deripaska, all of whom were previously involved in business deals with Kilimnik and Manafort. Mueller covers this explanation in the report, but determines he "can't know" why Manafort did it because he doesn't trust Manafort. You would know this if you had bothered to actually read the report in the intervening two and a half years.
3. Not claimed.
4. The Mueller report explicitly comments on Kilimnik's Russian connections. Forget the report, you would know this if you had read through this thread.

At some point I'd figure you'd get tired of getting slapped around like this. Leave this to Icemage, you're a light-weight.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Nov 7 2021 05:47pm

you still think ‘russia’ went and “hacked the election” with ‘the Trump campaign’ while Pres Obama and VP biden sat around and did nothing

this is two-digit IQ level of ineptitude by you. pathetic little trashcan shaped pale pasty waste of lefty privilege

reported, btw


iow, you dont have the source. just making up stuff and worshipping russian propaganda. what a waste of pale pasty lefty privilege.
stick to making bargain-bin neutrogena knock-offs wierdo lmfao, pathetic..

e: reported, btw

This post was edited by excellence on Nov 7 2021 06:18pm

up

This post was edited by HeLiCaL on Nov 29 2021 07:50pm

Yes please continue I spent my physical therapy session reading through this thread. Democrats VS Republicans are hilarious!