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Jun 25 2021 10:14am
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This has been happening for quiet awhile in politics, corporations, etc. We need more gay, black, women, fill in the blank. Should I be surprised you all of the sudden have an issue with it when it comes to asking for diversity by conservatives?


This opinion honestly baffles me. The consistent and reasonable stance is that affirmative action and identitarian quotas suck and should be avoided, no matter if they are supposed to further a liberal (racial and gender equality) or a conservative (balance of ideology in academia) cause.
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Jun 25 2021 10:17am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 25 2021 11:14am)
This opinion honestly baffles me. The consistent and reasonable stance is that affirmative action and identitarian quotas suck and should be avoided, no matter if they are supposed to further a liberal (racial and gender equality) or a conservative (balance of ideology in academia) cause.


quotas for me but not for thee.

its funny that there's people for quotas to correct the wrongs of purple haired gender studies majors being taught men are evil by screeching shrew lesbian professors.

but quotas to correct slavery, jim crow laws, and pervasive societal racism are no good.
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quotas for me but not for thee.

its funny that there's people for quotas to correct the wrongs of purple haired gender studies majors being taught men are evil by screeching shrew lesbian professors.

but quotas to correct slavery, jim crow laws, and pervasive societal racism are no good.


If quotas were a good way to fix anything, more people would probably be in support of them. But regardless of why there aren't more female or black airline pilots, mandating a quota of said pilots is just as stupid as mandating more white cornerbacks in the NFL.

Quotas to enforce ideological representation is bad policy. I'd much rather they just strip away funding if the ideological slant is intolerable.
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Jun 25 2021 10:23am
Quote (Skinned @ 25 Jun 2021 17:29)
Highly ignorant to believe all professors are liberal or even a vast majority. Only people who learned about college on fox news believe those lies. Kind of beneath rebuttal. People just making things up about the unknown.


Inform yourself before basing your opinion on such demonstrably false assumptions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/11/the-dramatic-shift-among-college-professors-thats-hurting-students-education/
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In 1990, [...], 42 percent of professors identified as "liberal" or "far-left." By 2014, that number had jumped to 60 percent.

Over the same period, the number of academics identifying as "moderate" fell by 13 percentage points, and the share of "conservative" and "far-right" professors dropped nearly six points. In the academy, liberals now outnumber conservatives by roughly 5 to 1.

This survey had a sample size of over 16000 professors btw.



Based on a different survey, the book The Social and Political Views of American Professors finds that "the professors were 44% liberal, 46% moderates, and 9% conservative".
https://books.google.de/books?id=D1vCAwAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y





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If quotas were a good way to fix anything, more people would probably be in support of them. But regardless of why there aren't more female or black airline pilots, mandating a quota of said pilots is just as stupid as mandating more white cornerbacks in the NFL.

Quotas to enforce ideological representation is bad policy. I'd much rather they just strip away funding if the ideological slant is intolerable.


i assumed there aren't black pilots because the pilot's seat doesnt recline back to 45 degrees.

for real tho, agreed categorically.
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Jun 25 2021 10:31am
Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 25 2021 12:21pm)
If quotas were a good way to fix anything, more people would probably be in support of them. But regardless of why there aren't more female or black airline pilots, mandating a quota of said pilots is just as stupid as mandating more white cornerbacks in the NFL.

Quotas to enforce ideological representation is bad policy. I'd much rather they just strip away funding if the ideological slant is intolerable.


Threatening to defund a school for not hiring enough conservative professors is the same as a quota but with invisible goalposts.

Hopefully this new wave of conservative professors teaches people that liberals aren’t leftists.
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Jun 25 2021 10:33am
Quote (Tom Tupa @ Jun 25 2021 09:23am)
LOL dude you had my back nearly 7 years ago as well

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=71260763&f=27&p=478783899#p478783899


Just don't turn around and sell this account, nn make me look like a fool. :D
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Jun 25 2021 10:36am
Quote (bogie160 @ 25 Jun 2021 18:21)
If quotas were a good way to fix anything, more people would probably be in support of them. But regardless of why there aren't more female or black airline pilots, mandating a quota of said pilots is just as stupid as mandating more white cornerbacks in the NFL.

Quotas to enforce ideological representation is bad policy. I'd much rather they just strip away funding if the ideological slant is intolerable.


I support stripping funding from institutions of higher learning which are caught restricting a free and open exchange of ideas and viewpoints, for example by allowing the cancellation of conservative speakers and such.
Basing this on the self-reported ideology of the student body or teaching staff is wrong on multiple levels though.

The ideological slant is hard to measure, particularly when the universities know that their funding is on the line. They'll just lie about their true ideology in these surveys. This, in turn, will require the government or some sort of oversight body to assess the ideological slant of a college, which just shifts the whole issue onto the political and ideological lean of this oversight committee. The only thing this will achieve is a further politicization of academia and a split between red and blue state colleges.

The proper solution is to identify and address the underlying reasons for the liberal bias of academia. For example by changing the pay, benefit and incentive structure. Or by creating more positions for professors who have real life work experience in their field rather than lifelong career academics.
But all of that is far more difficult to pull off and requires a long breath. It's also not as suited to riling up the right-wing base, so I doubt that the GOP has much interest.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 25 2021 12:14pm)
This opinion honestly baffles me. The consistent and reasonable stance is that affirmative action and identitarian quotas suck and should be avoided, no matter if they are supposed to further a liberal (racial and gender equality) or a conservative (balance of ideology in academia) cause.


On the contrary i think race based quotos and race based grade adjustments are perfectly acceptable. All self identified liberals should be medically treated exclusively by licensed indigenous witch doctors to show their solidarity with bipoc instead of affirming a system of white medical science
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Jun 25 2021 10:44am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 25 2021 11:23am)
Inform yourself before basing your opinion on such demonstrably false assumptions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/11/the-dramatic-shift-among-college-professors-thats-hurting-students-education/

This survey had a sample size of over 16000 professors btw.
Based on a different survey, the book The Social and Political Views of American Professors finds that "the professors were 44% liberal, 46% moderates, and 9% conservative".
https://books.google.de/books?id=D1vCAwAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y


Seems like conservatism is a shit ideology then.
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