Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 21 2021 01:12pm)
this isn't correct.
the issue of voter ID laws breaks down into 3 categories:
1. cost
2. access to DMVs
3. distrust of the government
free IDs cover cost, as they should. IDs shouldnt cost anything to begin with.
access to DMVs however it does not. in many urban areas, especially as more and more DMV activity moves online, DMV availability times have been restricted. and when an ID law goes into effect the demand for just about the only thing DMVs still need to do in a physical location anymore goes sky high. old 1990s stand up jokes about wait times at the DMV become relevant. in some cases ive heard of people having to take a second day off of work because they never got called up. taking a day off of work at all is a hassle, many DMVs dont operate on weekends and only are open during normal business hours.
there's also distrust, when required to go an extra step with government identification people distrustful of the government become less likely to cooperate, and are more likely to opt out. distrust of the government is higher in black communities, and as a result ID laws cause more opt outs. it's "they trackin us" mentality.
but it doesnt really matter, the stats are clear, where ID laws are created it disproportionately pushes blacks from the voting pool. and moreso if the black community is impoverished in any real number. you, me, or anyone else can say "well just do this" regarding DMVs or whatever else. that doesnt change the stats. the stats are the stats. why is this relevant? because the lawmakers know the stats, and are acting on that knowledge. that's an intentional act of politically driven racist behavior. systematic racism. whether its systematic racism to win more races or systematic racism due to hate of black people doesnt factor into your request for systematic racism examples.
IDs cost money to produce, that's just a simple fact and even some of the most liberal and socialistic countries have costs with getting ID's. It costs around 50 bucks to get a pic ID in Sweden for example one of the most pointed to socialistic countries. It costs money in almost every single country in the world to produce a picture id and 99.9% of people understand that having a pic ID is basically part and parcel of living in society and no one has an issue with it.
In states like Georgia, they are going out of their way to subsidize them because unlike 99% of the world apparently some of you guys think our black populace is somehow unqualified to be able to do so.
I just don't understand why giving free IDs is not an adequate compromise here? I just find it highly suspect that in a country where people are expected to produce IDs to open a library card or go buy cigs, having to provide ID to prove your identity is all of a sudden racist (only in swing states though).
We know some level of voter fraud exists, we can argue on the rate per 100,000 but we know it exists. What's stopping me from going around and talking to my neighbors and asking them do they plan on voting? If not, I know their name, their polling location, their address, etc so I can literally show up and give them my neighbor's name and vote for them because without an ID that's totally plausible.
The biggest issue with the black voting bloc is apathy, but this is precisely a way to get around that. 'Activists' can go around collecting these names and data and basically do targeted marketing in the best of cases but in the most heinous of cases, in races that are decided by a few thousand votes i could totally see political actors finding ways to cheat just like I described with the neighbor example.
So why are we so adamant about creating this environement?
This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 21 2021 11:57am