I laughed too hard at the PlayStation part 😆

Playstation consoles and Nike shoes hide ur joysticks hide ur wifi

It's a bit more complex. There's long-term institutional damage to think of.

You can compare it to negotiating with terrorists. In a vacuum it's an easy win, in the long run it is obviously not. Americans have one of the lowest abduction rates, as they refuse to pay cash and instead send drones and men with guns.

The institutions that are being impacted here are already damaged beyond salvation. Takes burning down part of a city to get even a semblence of a fair trial dude.

It doesn't matter if you have a right to sacrifice him, you'd do it anyway because it's the path of least resistance and you care more about your family than him. You would do anything to protect your family because that's the most important thing in the world.



What long term damage would there be? People get killed all the time...it's not like the justice system would let the assassin walk...

This is false. I'd rather release the police on the lynch mob with full rights to fire live ammunition to any who fail to disperse than sacrifice an innocent man. And if he's convicted? No sacrifice needs made.

We do NOT negotiate with terrorists.

That's not an option and you know it. The fact that you're willing to kill dozens over one man shows that YOU are the one with Soviet thinking. Perhaps there's correlation between this line of thought and alcoholism? That's one of the leading causes of death in Russia.

It's absolutely an option.

You're looking at this from a very narrow perspective. The terrorist rioters never even gave the system a chance. From the time of the video to the firing of the four officers was under a day. Charges were being considered in under a week. Indictments did come, and trials are happening. Yet untold billions in damage all over the nation, dozens murdered, etc.

We're past the point of the "simple blackmail" demands. It's too late to say, "We'll riot unless you give us what we want." The riots are happening and have continued to happen either way. In many areas, they've never stopped. You have literal insurrections where portions of US cities are claimed as "autonomous".

The terrorists are not simply attempting to extort policy, they're actively rioting regardless of whether their demands are met. And it becomes even more fun in that dozens of cities severely reduced funding to police, and suddenly, murder is up 33% in US cities and overall crime is up 400%, and even the most BLM friendly cities are starting to refund the police departments, begging officers to come back.

The terrorist rioters have gone too far. We've gotten to the point where "minimum necessary force" to stop the violent rioting has become "lethal force". When we're seriously talking about "sacrificing" US Citizens, we've passed the pale, my friend. It's time to take the shackles off the police, and allow them to do their job.

This is not some shithole country. This is the most heavily armed nation on the planet. If governors and mayors continue shackling the cops while attempting to excuse rioters, citizens will take justice into their own hands. Remember that when you start with your wildly stupid "tear down the system" bullshit.

This is an interesting conversation. Tcock is talking in unabashedly capitalist terms and Bob is adopting an incredibly obvious soviet style thinking, but Bob is sure he's the one who wants to defend America and capitalism.

Trust a communist to gaslight out the asshole.

If this were a "Capitalist" system, then the "rich people" would simply hire mercenaries to gun down the rioters burning down their businesses, and it'd be fine.

We do not live in a "capitalist" nation. We live in a Constitutional Republic. Rioters who attempt to attack and kill people, burn buildings and vehicles, and loot property are all violent criminals. The fact that they claim to be rioting to get their political way makes them terrorists.

Innocent citizens (primarily minorities, no less) are being victimized by these terrorists, and the law abiding citizens are receiving zero justice whatsoever.

You want to talk about how "Chauvin was so horrible" yet the trial is going AGAINST the prosecution right now, they're FAILING to prove he did wrong. On the flipside, people literally loot, burn, and murder, and you're defending them.

Everyone has a right to self-preservation. When you start saying, "It's time to sacrifice your fellow citizens, or you and your family are next" you're proclaiming yourself my enemy, not the police, not Chauvin, and not anyone else. YOU are the problem.