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Feb 19 2021 02:47pm
Quote (Djunior @ Feb 19 2021 02:39pm)
No sweat buddy, it was stated that CHAZ was going to be run by volunteers who were going to do a way better job than the cops, in reality CHAZ was run by gang banger as we all know now, if you really want I can dig up some juicy vids of the violence / shootings and such but they've been posted before.

CHAZ was an epic failure


Hmmm there's no source in there, and no mention of the funding status of the police or social programs within Seattle.

So you've failed.

Have a nice day.
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Feb 19 2021 03:13pm
So wait. Black people can celebrate their skin color to the point that they are drilling holes in their faces to have diamonds put in, but if white people try to celebrate their skin color we gatta start ethnic cleansing.

We've done it boys. Racism is no more.
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Feb 19 2021 03:14pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 19 2021 09:47pm)
Hmmm yea got to agree CHAZ failed.

Have a nice day.


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Feb 19 2021 03:58pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 19 2021 08:21pm)
while im not a fragile white i do agree with the general sentiment that some Europeans look down from unicultural ivory tower communities upon the US which is a far more multicultural landscape. and blame some racial tensions on racism, rather than the known factor of a general level of friction that exists in any environment where their is cultural clash, regardless of race. cultural clashes in the melting pot of the US are part of what makes us so violent and part of what makes us an interesting place to live and visit. u cant have one without the other from an anthropological viewpoint, its as human as anything.

im just not afraid of my whiteness being under attack.


The general sentiment needs a lot of nuance from both sides.

If someone claims that Europe is as much as a 'cultural melting pot' as the USA, that person is a moron. I don't think there's anyone here defending that point, which means that InsaneBobb's statement about that point is an indirect strawman.

On the other hand, Europe is definitely a melting pot in its own right. I live 15 km from Brussels and work in Brussels; Saucisson6000 lives in Paris. I don't know where Fender lives, but I can speak for Saucy and myself when I say that our cities are a huge mix of different cultures. If someone claims that this isn't the case (like InsaneBobb was doing in his post), that person is a moron.

It is true that Europeans tend to look down on America for how they handle their multi-culturalism, and this is also something that needs more nuance from both sides. The USA has an immense problem with politicians pushing racist rhetoric, polarizing the community, and deliberately passing laws that disadvantage colored people more than white people. This is a problem with the USA's ivory tower of established politicians though, and is not necessarily something the American people should be blamed for. As you can see with the last presidential elections: both candidates have proven in the past decades that they're seasoned racists, so there's not really anything the American voters could have done to avoid having a racist president.

I'm absolutely convinced that Western European countries deal better with their multi-cultural areas than the USA do, but to dismiss that as "haha u murricans dumb" is just stupid.
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Feb 19 2021 04:52pm
Quote (Leevee @ Feb 19 2021 03:58pm)
The general sentiment needs a lot of nuance from both sides.

If someone claims that Europe is as much as a 'cultural melting pot' as the USA, that person is a moron. I don't think there's anyone here defending that point, which means that InsaneBobb's statement about that point is an indirect strawman.

On the other hand, Europe is definitely a melting pot in its own right. I live 15 km from Brussels and work in Brussels; Saucisson6000 lives in Paris. I don't know where Fender lives, but I can speak for Saucy and myself when I say that our cities are a huge mix of different cultures. If someone claims that this isn't the case (like InsaneBobb was doing in his post), that person is a moron.

It is true that Europeans tend to look down on America for how they handle their multi-culturalism, and this is also something that needs more nuance from both sides. The USA has an immense problem with politicians pushing racist rhetoric, polarizing the community, and deliberately passing laws that disadvantage colored people more than white people. This is a problem with the USA's ivory tower of established politicians though, and is not necessarily something the American people should be blamed for. As you can see with the last presidential elections: both candidates have proven in the past decades that they're seasoned racists, so there's not really anything the American voters could have done to avoid having a racist president.

I'm absolutely convinced that Western European countries deal better with their multi-cultural areas than the USA do, but to dismiss that as "haha u murricans dumb" is just stupid.


Oh you mean things like affirmative action that put minorities on a pedestal and not white people?

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Feb 19 2021 04:57pm
Quote (Evil_Life @ Feb 19 2021 11:52pm)
Oh you mean things like affirmative action that put minorities on a pedestal and not white people?


If that's what you need to tell yourself, then sure.
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Feb 19 2021 05:10pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 19 2021 03:26pm)
Here's your reminder that "defund the police" means to turn funding to other sources of social good, like social workers and mental health professionals to respond to calls, and where this has been implemented it's been a wild success.


Police are among the best public investments society can make. Defunding the police is unpopular, and it's critically unpopular among Hispanics and other low-income communities who rely on the police for protection.

You guys are about to blow it again.
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Feb 19 2021 05:15pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 19 2021 05:10pm)
Police are among the best public investments society can make. Defunding the police is unpopular, and it's critically unpopular among Hispanics and other low-income communities who rely on the police for protection.

You guys are about to blow it again.


We currently over invest in the police and under invest in mental health. I'm not surprised its unpopular in many communities. We have so much police and military propaganda baked into our whole society it would be weird if it wasn't.

But our society will continue to have these and many other problems as long as we keep investing in violence instead of education and care.
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Feb 19 2021 05:48pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 19 2021 06:15pm)
We currently over invest in the police and under invest in mental health. I'm not surprised its unpopular in many communities. We have so much police and military propaganda baked into our whole society it would be weird if it wasn't.

But our society will continue to have these and many other problems as long as we keep investing in violence instead of education and care.


We have a lot of highly policed, wealthy communities that experience very little violence. We spend an extraordinary amount, per capita, on education. The problem is not that we invest in police, and it is not that we underinvest in education.

We need to find new ways to create stable, functioning family units in the inner city. We need to pursue employment programs that get people off the streets. But that goes hand in hand with enforcement to ensure that crime is not being incentivized.
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Feb 19 2021 05:53pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 19 2021 05:48pm)
We have a lot of highly policed, wealthy communities that experience very little violence. We spend an extraordinary amount, per capita, on education. The problem is not that we invest in police, and it is not that we underinvest in education.

We need to find new ways to create stable, functioning family units in the inner city. We need to pursue employment programs that get people off the streets. But that goes hand in hand with enforcement to ensure that crime is not being incentivized.


Wealthy parts of the cities are not policed in the same way as poorer areas. A police officer isn't going to pull over and illegally search somebody who lives 3 blocks down from the judge's house. Well, they might, if they don't look like they belong.... (hint hint).

And we know that since most schools are funded by property tax the fact that we spend a lot on education doesn't mean much because the distribution is garbage.

You are absolutely intent on compartmentalizing lol
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