hilarious the traffic this thread gets.

better than pushing neo-con trashcan gop establishment candidates or whatever candidate the “lincoln” project grifters get behind (and that by no means is a nod to the disgusting behavior exhibited by the leadership/founders of those biden supporters)

guess there are no other real possibilities for potential winner populist not-lefty candidates outside of Noem and Desantis tbh. Don’t think Trump should or will run in 2024.

oh assembled... HH is catching up!!

Without the political tailwind of a pandemic, I really dont think that Biden can defeat a non-Trump Republican who at least somewhat unifies the GOP factions.

Almost everything will imho depend on whether the GOP gets consumed by infighting and civil war over the next few years, or if they manage to move on. There's also a chance that Trump indeed runs again and then indeed becomes the nominee. Some rate this chance to be quite high, I personally think it's very unlikely.




At the end of the day, Biden represents an agenda of "woke corporatism", which is just really toxic. No matter where he positions himself on the issues, he will either kick off a huge backlash from the right (Obama 2010 style) if he strays too far to the left, or bomb with the lefty activist base (Hillary 2016 style) if he veers too far to the center. At the end of the day, Biden is a weaker politician than his 2020 victory makes him out to be - he simply benefited from very favorable external events to narrowly defeat an unpopular opponent who had a miserable year and committed blunder after blunder.

You are forgetting that he will be an incumbent. Incumbent presidents are really fucking hard to unseat. He could be a ham sandwich and he will win unless something major happens.

You're celebrating the fact that Trump got impeached twice as a victory?

You need to focus on grandkids or something bruh... this is just sad.

Honestly, I dont think the incumbency bonus is that strong.
Can you name me a single instance when an incumbent president with a mixed record won reelection by being carried by incumbency?

Reagan, Clinton and Obama were generational political talents. Nixon and LBJ ran against a candidate who was too ideologically extreme.

The only example of a mediocre politician with a mediocre track record who won reelection in modern times is GWB in 2004. But he did so because he benefitted from 9/11 and a convenient timing of the election with regard to the Iraq war (the successful military campaign was still fresh on people's minds, but the failure of the occupation/nation building was not fully obvious yet). Also, Bush had the luck of running against a stiff, uninspiring east coast patrician. Just like Obama was lucky to run against a stiff, uninspiring venture capitalist. Also, Obama in 2012 ran perhaps the most immaculate campaign in American history.

At the end of the day, since the start of the TV era in 1960, we're talking about a sample size of just 10 presidential elections in which an incumbent was seeking reelection. They won 6 and lost 4 of them. That's too small a sample size to draw any statistically significant conclusions.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 14 2021 04:49pm

Either that or I'm focusing on the fact that the Dems couldn't pull off a travesty of justice. ^^

So you think trump acted in accordance with being the president?