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Nov 11 2020 07:39am
Quote (MxVivianWulf @ Nov 11 2020 07:34am)
I do worry about the potential for democide. Looking at things through a CVE lens we are seeing a resurgence of satanic panic era conspiratorialism that last surged under Clinton and culminated in the OKC bombing. Combined with a cultic milieu that has been strengthened beyond the flat earth years and has seeped into militias, paramilitary and government. It would be naive to think it could never happen here... and when you have both state and federal congress members who align with a cult whose core is that same belief in the veracity of the protocols of the learned elders of zion that was published in Der Schturmer then you can see how democide is very much a threat.


even with the right winged MAGA nuts having most of the guns there's simply too many other guns to try, no one wants to bite a hedgehog even if u will kill it be doing so.

i find people who believe the holocaust will be repeated in the modern era in the US to be entirely silly. if we're talking Sudan, the Philippines, or hell even China, ok. But 2020 USA, lol.

but maybe its just the comforting notion that my white skin will save me that clouds my judgement. :rolleyes:
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Nov 11 2020 07:40am
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people like Erdogan or Putin, ok, but like Trump being a baby about moving out of the white house isnt comparable to a guy who turned millions of jews into ash or killed millions through famine.

thats always been my issue, everyone knows that invoking Hitler is inseparable from invoking the holocaust. they're like smoke and fire. u might only want one but u get both. those looking to talk shit about trump know this, but will squirm to "well i just mean how he is undemocratic and wont give up power....... but but but kids in cages u know".

its pathetic, and cheapens the holocaust. even if u can find a holocaust survivor who will be quoted for an article with some tosh like "this is what it felt like" to grab readers.


Not a single word of my post made any implication about Trump being up to stuff as terrible as Hitler or Stalin. Let us not turn this thread into an argument about a point that nobody made.
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Nov 11 2020 07:43am
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Not a single word of my post made any implication about Trump being up to stuff as terrible as Hitler or Stalin. Let us not turn this thread into an argument about a point that nobody made.


you misunderstand me, im saying simply by invoking Hitler/Stalin at all, in any context other than maybe being an artist or liking german shepards, you are invoking the terrible stuff he did. they're inseparable.

ever wonder why people constantly use Hitler as an example? its got its own internet law afterall. especially when modern far better comparisons to what we're talking about like Putin exist.

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you misunderstand me, im saying simply by invoking Hitler/Stalin at all, in any context other than maybe being an artist or liking german shepards, you are invoking the terrible stuff he did. they're inseparable.

ever wonder why people constantly use Hitler as an example? its got its own internet law afterall. especially when modern far better comparisons to what we're talking about like Putin exist.


People use Hitler because they have the historical awareness of a potato. It crept into our Internet lingo out of ignorance, more than anything.

If you are so sensitive to it, then feel free re-read my post, pretend I didn't mention Stalin and Hitler, and respond to the point that remains.
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Nov 11 2020 08:03am
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 11 2020 08:23am)
people like Erdogan or Putin, ok, but like Trump being a baby about moving out of the white house isnt comparable to a guy who turned millions of jews into ash or killed millions through famine.

thats always been my issue, everyone knows that invoking Hitler is inseparable from invoking the holocaust. they're like smoke and fire. u might only want one but u get both. those looking to talk shit about trump know this, but will squirm to "well i just mean how he is undemocratic and wont give up power....... but but but kids in cages u know".

its pathetic, and cheapens the holocaust. even if u can find a holocaust survivor who will be quoted for an article with some tosh like "this is what it felt like" to grab readers.


He isn't being a baby about moving out they announced a coup yesterday through the Sec of State. He said they are working on an orderly transition to another Trump administration. He is purging people who aren't in line like Esper. Conservative forces are lining up behind a coup.

By this time Obama was meeting with trump discussing transitioning power and freeing up federal funds for him to get started Trump has not freed up funds for Biden and is harming the american people by hamstringing their president elect.

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Quote (Leevee @ Nov 11 2020 07:56am)
People use Hitler because they have the historical awareness of a potato. It crept into our Internet lingo out of ignorance, more than anything.

If you are so sensitive to it, then feel free re-read my post, pretend I didn't mention Stalin and Hitler, and respond to the point that remains.


i already did, and agreed Erdogan or Putin is a more apt comparison. to expand tho i dont think that the checks and balances of the USA will allow it, for instance we have a secret service that i trust wouldnt let it happen and i dont think Trump has enough of them to make it work. Nor does he have the military brass in line, just the common foot soldier. Nor does he have true support from congress, or the scotus, or just about anyone to the degree that he could literally retain power in an undemocratic manner.

what we have here is simple, a stain on american democracy that a good washing machine trip will scrub right out. its not a shit filled pair of pants u leave in a gas station bathroom then shuffle back to your car with a sweatshirt tied around your waist.

and for reference, ive been saying for a bit now that i think trump will try to use LEGAL loopholes to retain power. dirty politics to be sure, but legal.

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He isn't being a baby about moving out they announced a coup yesterday through the Sec of State. He said they are working on an orderly transition to another Trump administration. He is purging people who aren't in line like Esper. Conservative forces are lining up behind a coup.


lol, nah.

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i already did, and agreed Erdogan or Putin is a more apt comparison. to expand tho i dont think that the checks and balances of the USA will allow it, for instance we have a secret service that i trust wouldnt let it happen and i dont think Trump has enough of them to make it work. Nor does he have the military brass in line, just the common foot soldier. Nor does he have true support from congress, or the scotus, or just about anyone to the degree that he could literally retain power in an undemocratic manner.

what we have here is simple, a stain on american democracy that a good washing machine trip will scrub right out. its not a shit filled pair of pants u leave in a gas station bathroom then shuffle back to your car with a sweatshirt tied around your waist.

and for reference, ive been saying for a bit now that i think trump will try to use LEGAL loopholes to retain power. dirty politics to be sure, but legal.



lol, nah.


He will either ghost us or he won't leave with the support of conservative Americans.

If the Dems can't stop him then who would? The spineless cowards in congress he cucked so effectively?

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He will either ghost us or he won't leave with the support of conservative Americans.

If the Dems can't stop him then who would? The spineless cowards im congress he cucked so effectively?


we have laws man, lol. he can take up a guest room all he wants but if he's not sworn in by the electoral college he cant sign bills, he cant even sign EOs lol.

this isnt russia, we have rules man. "im not leaving or conceding" does not a president make.

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we have laws man, lol. he can take up a guest room all he wants but if he's not sworn in by the electoral college he cant sign bills, he cant even sign EOs lol.

this isnt russia, we have rules man.


How has that been working out for us so far?

Military said they wouldn't step in already.

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Quote (thesnipa @ 11 Nov 2020 13:39)
even with the right winged MAGA nuts having most of the guns there's simply too many other guns to try, no one wants to bite a hedgehog even if u will kill it be doing so.

i find people who believe the holocaust will be repeated in the modern era in the US to be entirely silly. if we're talking Sudan, the Philippines, or hell even China, ok. But 2020 USA, lol.

but maybe its just the comforting notion that my white skin will save me that clouds my judgement. :rolleyes:


2020? Probably not. 2024-8? Who the fuck knows honestly.

It's worth noting that most democidal cults don't get into power. When Aum Shinrikyo tried they got laughed out. But QAnoners have won elections and the GOP is embracing this kind of conspiratorialism with alarming enthusiasm. Luckily Q hasn't posted since election night... There's a fair chance that the 8kun admin who stepped down held a fundamental role in the Q posts and there are rumours Jim Watkins (who owns both 8kun and Qmap) might be selling up. But even if Q stops entirely we still have to address the fact that a millenarianist cult based on the blood libel has rapidly expanded it's influence under the Trump administration. We still have to contend with that streak of satanic panic that has always infected the US since it's inception being more prevalent now than at any time since the satanic panic of the 80s-90s. The USA has a history of caving into this. McCarthyism, Nazism, Salem... there are still folks in prison today who were charged during the satanic panic with crimes related to fictional satanic ritual abuse.

I'm not saying another holocaust will materialise. I'm saying that when the conspiratorially minded are in control they inevitably enact atrocities.

It would be silly not to recognise this and take note of the parallels between the state of America right now and historical genocides and societal purges and moral panics such as, on the extreme scale, Rwanda (whose radio and media contributed in very similar fashion to more extreme outlets like OANN in the US) to McCarthyism and the Satanic Panic. AND we have to take note of the social and stochastic threat of an ever increasing base of committed nationalist militants, conspiratorial militia, cultic movements and neo-fascists that, if historical data is anything to go by, will only be invigorated by a democratic presidency.
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