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Aug 31 2020 07:13am
Quote (IceMage @ 31 Aug 2020 08:09)
https://joebiden.com/2020/08/30/statement-by-vice-president-joe-biden-on-the-deadly-violence-in-portland/

It's weird that we're debating a completely solid statement from Biden condemning violence while Trump embraces and stokes the chaos on Twitter.

We're living on different planets.

The President condemning riots and arson which damage minority communities m, and demanding local (D) elected officials put stop the violence that has been in (D) strongholds for 90+ days is not embracing violence lmfao

and as for Biden’s timid little statement, the Democrats and the media for months have said there is no violence and there are only peaceful protests so Biden’s statement is misinformation according to the (D)s and lefty media. if chicken little Biden’s meek words would stop violence why didn’t he start in Ferguson.

besides which

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Aug 31 2020 07:35am
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 31 2020 08:09am)
https://joebiden.com/2020/08/30/statement-by-vice-president-joe-biden-on-the-deadly-violence-in-portland/

It's weird that we're debating a completely solid statement from Biden condemning violence while Trump embraces and stokes the chaos on Twitter.

We're living on different planets.


pretty sure trump has condemned the looters and arsonists from the very beginning?
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Aug 31 2020 07:46am
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pretty sure trump has condemned the looters and arsonists from the very beginning?


I never argued otherwise. Both candidates have condemned violence, rioting, and looting for months now.
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Aug 31 2020 07:48am
Quote (duffman316 @ Aug 31 2020 06:35am)
pretty sure trump has condemned the looters and arsonists from the very beginning?


Biden condemned both sides. Trump condones one side.
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Aug 31 2020 07:52am
Quote (IceMage @ 31 Aug 2020 15:46)
I never argued otherwise. Both candidates have condemned violence, rioting, and looting for months now.


Quote (inkanddagger @ 31 Aug 2020 15:48)
Biden condemned both sides. Trump condones one side.


Biden has not condemned antifa, and the actions of him and his campaign indicate that they actually condone them.
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Aug 31 2020 07:54am
Quote (inkanddagger @ 31 Aug 2020 09:48)
Biden condemned both sides. Trump condones one side.

lmfao!!! The “both sides” angle is a ‘flawed and racist’ argument per Biden himself! he says so at least 3 times whenever he decides he is told to make an appearance. hell half his (D) nominee acceptance speech was about it. lefties can’t keep their story straight

https://medium.com/@graham100200/fact-check-3-2bf30fe56bc3
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/26/joe-biden-donald-trump-charlotttesville-fine-people-neo-nazis-column/3588970002/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/21/fact-checking-fourth-night-2020-democratic-national-convnetion/
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Aug 31 2020 07:55am
lol

Trump condemns the riots for like 4 months offering federal help like daily

Biden doesn't say shit and finally comes out with some generic i condemn all violence statement going out of his way to not assign blame where it's due

Different planets for sure.

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 31 2020 08:55am)
lol

Trump condemns the riots for like 4 months offering federal help like daily

Biden doesn't say shit and finally comes out with some generic i condemn all violence statement going out of his way to not assign blame where it's due

Different planets for sure.


If Trump's help wasn't unidentifiable federal officers that explicitly targeted journalists and totally peaceful individuals and didn't have a fascist test run where they violently attacked peaceful protesters so Trump could have a photo-op, maybe the "Trump offered help" argument would hold some weight.

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Aug 31 2020 08:20am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 31 2020 09:52am)
Biden has not condemned antifa, and the actions of him and his campaign indicate that they actually condone them.


Has Biden condemned any specific right-wing group? Not to my knowledge. He's simply condemning all political violence. I don't know why that's offensive to some.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 31 2020 09:55am)
lol

Trump condemns the riots for like 4 months offering federal help like daily

Biden doesn't say shit and finally comes out with some generic i condemn all violence statement going out of his way to not assign blame where it's due

Different planets for sure.


Trump's posture has been to rhetorically pour gas on the fire. If local officials don't want federal help, that's their decision, and they'll suffer the political consequences.

Biden has condemned violence and rioting for months. Pivoting to "well he won't specifically condemn this left-wing group we're obsessed with!" is kind of weak sauce.
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Quote (IceMage @ 31 Aug 2020 16:20)
Has Biden condemned any specific right-wing group? Not to my knowledge. He's simply condemning all political violence. I don't know why that's offensive to some.

Trump's posture has been to rhetorically pour gas on the fire. If local officials don't want federal help, that's their decision, and they'll suffer the political consequences.

Biden has condemned violence and rioting for months. Pivoting to "well he won't specifically condemn this left-wing group we're obsessed with!" is kind of weak sauce.


Iirc, you are the one who has repeatedly talked about "bringing down the heat" in recent days. To do that, leaders on both sides have to address the troublemakers on their respective side. Thus, Biden has to disavow antifa violence and Trump has to disavow the armed militiamen/proud boys/boogaloo-WhateverTheHeckTheyAre. You have repeatedly stressed that Biden has better leadership than Trump, but on the topic of civic unrest in American cities and violence on the streets, I dont see it so far. A generic, milquetoast "bothsides-y" statement isnt gonna cut it.

And yes, the same criticism also applies to Trump. He's totally unable or unwilling to strike a conciliatory tone.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 31 2020 08:32am
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