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The fact is, you’re going to get gun buybacks with either party eventually. That’s how fascists maintain power. It will probably start with the Republican Party in charge like the bump stock ban and the push for red flag laws. And I hope we ban fossil fuels. It would own the cons.
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Aug 21 2020 10:04am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 21 2020 10:48am)
Show me any version of the GND that doesnt contain an eventual ban on fossils.


To address your edit,

Again, literally the actual Green New Deal.

You can just fucking read it instead of eating up propaganda.

You are so willing to eat propaganda from the right but are super skeptical of anything from the left. It's ridiculous. People like thundercock at least apply skepticism evenly even if I disagree with some of where he ends up, but you're so obviously asymmetric while still trying to play the middle.
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Aug 21 2020 10:29am
So who else was a bit troubled by the part where the DNC refused to invite Tulsi Gabbard, who not only was a presidential candidate and sitting congresswoman but had pledged delegates at the DNC
-and yet-
they invited Donna Hylton, who gave a televised statement. Despite being convicted and sentenced to 25-to-life for the kidnapping, rape, torture and murder of Thomas Vigliarolo over 15 days of captivity as Donna and her crew beat, burned, sodomized and starved him to death
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Aug 21 2020 11:14am
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To address your edit,

Again, literally the actual Green New Deal.

You can just fucking read it instead of eating up propaganda.

You are so willing to eat propaganda from the right but are super skeptical of anything from the left. It's ridiculous. People like thundercock at least apply skepticism evenly even if I disagree with some of where he ends up, but you're so obviously asymmetric while still trying to play the middle.


Oh cut the crap. Of course not even far-left firebrands like AOC are stupid enough to outright say "we will ban all fossil fuels". They instead propose legislation that enshrines targets into law which are impossible to meet without banning the use of fossil fuel for all private and almost all industrial use.


Taken from the text of HR 109, the House bill in which AOC laid out her idea of a Green New Deal:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/109/text

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global temperatures must be kept below 1.5 degrees Celsius[...], which will require—
[...]
(B) net-zero global emissions by 2050


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Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that—
(1) it is the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal—
(A) to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions [...]


Good luck reaching net-zero carbon emissions without ending (virtually) all use of fossil fuels.

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the goals described in subparagraphs (A) through (E) of paragraph (1) should be accomplished through a 10-year national mobilization that will require the following goals and projects—
(C) meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources


This would imply a ban on private-owned diesel generators and such.

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Oh cut the crap. Of course not even far-left firebrands like AOC are stupid enough to outright say "we will ban all fossil fuels". They instead propose legislation that enshrines targets into law which are impossible to meet without banning the use of fossil fuel for all private and almost all industrial use.


Taken from the text of HR 109, the House bill in which AOC laid out her idea of a Green New Deal:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/109/text





Good luck reaching net-zero carbon emissions without ending (virtually) all use of fossil fuels.



This would imply a ban on private-owned diesel generators and such.


None of that is a ban on fossil fuels. Ending the use of fossil fuels through technological initiatives isnt a ban. I guess by your logic hirses and carriages have been banned.

Elsewhere in the plan it has carbon capture as a goal, so it would mean capturing as much as you put out.

You're so full of shit lol. You don't have an argument so you have to propose ludicrous conspiracy theories that relies on the left being blissfully unaware that we all put fossil fuels in our cars.

Like I said, you eat up partisan propaganda from the right, but apply hyper-skepticism to the left. It's why you think the green new deal is Satan, and it's why you criticized AOC for not wasting her personal money by moving months before she needed to. If it's the left, you'll latch onto a criticism until proven otherwise, and if it's the right you'll reject criticism until the evidence is overwhelming.

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Aug 21 2020 11:33am
Quote (Goomshill @ 21 Aug 2020 12:29)
So who else was a bit troubled by the part where the DNC refused to invite Tulsi Gabbard, who not only was a presidential candidate and sitting congresswoman but had pledged delegates at the DNC
-and yet-
they invited Donna Hylton, who gave a televised statement. Despite being convicted and sentenced to 25-to-life for the kidnapping, rape, torture and murder of Thomas Vigliarolo over 15 days of captivity as Donna and her crew beat, burned, sodomized and starved him to death

hylton seems to represent the (D) target voter base more than tulsi does
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Aug 21 2020 11:42am
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 21 2020 09:29am)
So who else was a bit troubled by the part where the DNC refused to invite Tulsi Gabbard, who not only was a presidential candidate and sitting congresswoman but had pledged delegates at the DNC
-and yet-
they invited Donna Hylton, who gave a televised statement. Despite being convicted and sentenced to 25-to-life for the kidnapping, rape, torture and murder of Thomas Vigliarolo over 15 days of captivity as Donna and her crew beat, burned, sodomized and starved him to death


A lot of presidential candidates weren't invited (where was Bennet, Hickenlooper, Delaney, Swallwell, etc.) Tulsi is retiring from her seat so she's not particularly relevant anymore.
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A lot of presidential candidates weren't invited (where was Bennet, Hickenlooper, Delaney, Swallwell, etc.) Tulsi is retiring from her seat so she's not particularly relevant anymore.


And yet they found time for Donna Hylton and Linda Sarsour
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Aug 21 2020 11:52am
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 21 2020 10:49am)
And yet they found time for Donna Hylton and Linda Sarsour


That's b/c they've done more for the community than most.
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Aug 21 2020 11:55am
Quote (thundercock @ Aug 21 2020 01:42pm)
A lot of presidential candidates weren't invited (where was Bennet, Hickenlooper, Delaney, Swallwell, etc.) Tulsi is retiring from her seat so she's not particularly relevant anymore.


Gabbard’s canpaign lasted three times longer than Harris’.

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 21 2020 12:29pm)
So who else was a bit troubled by the part where the DNC refused to invite Tulsi Gabbard, who not only was a presidential candidate and sitting congresswoman but had pledged delegates at the DNC
-and yet-
they invited Donna Hylton, who gave a televised statement. Despite being convicted and sentenced to 25-to-life for the kidnapping, rape, torture and murder of Thomas Vigliarolo over 15 days of captivity as Donna and her crew beat, burned, sodomized and starved him to death


I wish the news would do its job. It would be so easy to make these Democrats extinct.
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