this perspective contains a contradiction. Roger lies, he lied about being far more instrumental in the Wikileaks sphere than he is, AND he lied about being more instrumental to Trump than he is. he did this lying before he ever saw the stand, he's made a career writing tinfoily pseudo history backed by his supposed links to politicians and events that he in reality wasn't that connected to. his work from JFK to Nixon tries to put himself in the mix with those who know to legitimize things his evidence can't.

so he can't be a liar to congress and in life AND as important to wikileaks and trump as he says, the two are connected. most of his other "lies" were more obstruction than misleading an investigation. congress thought they found their star witness, and Roger loves the lime light, so rather than saying "im a liar, i dont belong on this stand because i dont really know shit" he soaked up his time in the spotlight. but people so determined to get trump werent able to see they had an idiot and tried to ring info out of him that he not only didnt have but also didnt say he didnt have because he wanted the grandeur and thought himself safe. now hes far more relevant and didnt have to do jail time, so it paid off.

but crimes aside, we live in a country where a biased jury or judge supersedes your criminal behavior, the 4th amendment overrides criminal wrongdoing, even lying to congress. dude clearly had jurors with bias that was stricken from the record AND ignored by the judge suggesting bias there.

Trump is a whoremonger with a mail order bride and I've talked about it.

There are 4 people who Trump has sent public well wishes to after they've been charged by DOJ: Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and now Ghislaine Maxwell.

Either she's going to die or he's going to extract the names he wants to hear implicated for political purposes. And the right will lap it up like dogs. That's the difference between the left and the right. The right is OK with political games bringing down their enemies. The left wants everyone involved from either side taken down.

I don't know how this is an excuse or justification. Roger Stone's always been a liar and bullshitter, therefore his lies to Congress and witness intimidation are less serious? That makes no sense.

The process played out... if he wants to appeal the judge's decision he can do so. Juries are full of people with political opinions, it doesn't suddenly render their judgement illegitimate.

And even if we were to accept that talking point of an unfair jury, the facts are what they are. It's not a close case... a new jury would convict him. So focusing on the jury is a useless distraction.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jul 23 2020 12:03pm

i dont necessarily have an issue with a guilty verdict given what the law is, i have an issue with the sentence. judges make sentences, judges also excuse biased jurors. so when a judge strikes from the record proof a juror is biased and then goes on to sentence someone for what i feel is too high in the range they can based on a guilty verdict it's easy to think the judge is also biased and that affects the sentencing.

i do have a moral issue with lying to congress being taken so seriously in the legal system, i dont think that perjury should be worse in a congress or in a county court house. its a tenant out country is built on, we all know congress is more important, but that is my opinion.

none of this addresses however the fervor democrat congressmen had in pursuing Roger Stone, against basic logic knowing who Stone is, which made the lying possible in the first place. its like walking a crack head down to the court house as an eye witness then getting mad when he changes his story and refuses to talk unless u get him a few rocks.

i dont support commutation, i dont support a long sentence, but its not a binary. and i can have commentary on the senate trial, roger's trial, and commutation all at once that aren't strictly linear.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jul 23 2020 12:22pm

Document dump!

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/here-are-top-highlights-ghislaine-maxwells-unsealed-court-records

Man this year keeps getting less boring

Bill Richardson -- just wow.

So much for Alan Dershowitz's claim that the depositions will exhonerate him.

Yes! What a douche.