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Jun 19 2020 09:42am
Quote (thesnipa @ 19 Jun 2020 11:35)
are you saying the quote above is inaccurate? or that you're referencing an entirely different quote? the above quote seems to have all the answers there. condemns bad actors on both sides, props up good actors on both sides.

well thor is just repeating what the media tells him without looking into the actual quote. the media has two insidious powers: the power to ignore and the power to quote out of context without being held accountable
skinned does this too. so do a lot of lefties. take what the media tells them and then say the same thing without any context. standard privileged lefty tactic

thing is thor doesn't go out of his way to what skinned does, which is make shit up completely and then says 'oops my bad' afterwards. like skinned falsely claimed someone executed a man, then when confronted on it he said 'well oops not really' :wacko:
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Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 19 2020 10:35am)
are you saying the quote above is inaccurate? or that you're referencing an entirely different quote? the above quote seems to have all the answers there. condemns bad actors on both sides, props up good actors on both sides.


August 12th Trump made comments with no differentiation of sides. He said there was "violence on many sides" and made absolutely no differentiation about sides even while the media at the press event were asking if he condemned the neo-nazis at the rally. This was the "Trump just wonders off stage during questions" event.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-politicians-condemn-white-nationalist-rally-charlottesville-virginia-n792096

Afterwards he was called out by Marco Rubio and Orrin Hatch, the latter saying "we need to call evil by its name".

Trump then made the comments that Goom posted on August 16th, taking 3 additional days to call out the neo-nazis, and only after significant pressure from his own party. Additionally, his "people on both sides" was seen as an homage to his previous comments and a walkback.


This is the same thing he did when he was asked if he knew David Duke, and took several days to condemn him, David Duke then saying he got the message, that Trump can't outright say he is in favor of Duke so the delayed condemnation sends a message of support.

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well thor is just repeating what the media tells him without looking into the actual quote. the media has two insidious powers: the power to ignore and the power to quote out of context without being held accountable
skinned does this too. so do a lot of lefties. take what the media tells them and then say the same thing without any context. standard privileged lefty tactic

thing is thor doesn't go out of his way to what skinned does, which is make shit up completely and then says 'oops my bad' afterwards. like skinned falsely claimed someone executed a man, then when confronted on it he said 'well oops not really' :wacko:


Quote (thesnipa @ 19 Jun 2020 11:35)
are you saying the quote above is inaccurate? or that you're referencing an entirely different quote? the above quote seems to have all the answers there. condemns bad actors on both sides, props up good actors on both sides.


like clockwork, thor wrote another rage essay repeating what the media told him

direct source material is rejected and media interpretation is injected as truth when it comes to many privileged lefties

e: oh look the david duke boogeyman is back


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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 19 2020 11:11am)
August 12th Trump made comments with no differentiation of sides. He said there was "violence on many sides" and made absolutely no differentiation about sides even while the media at the press event were asking if he condemned the neo-nazis at the rally. This was the "Trump just wonders off stage during questions" event.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-politicians-condemn-white-nationalist-rally-charlottesville-virginia-n792096

Afterwards he was called out by Marco Rubio and Orrin Hatch, the latter saying "we need to call evil by its name".

Trump then made the comments that Goom posted on August 16th, taking 3 additional days to call out the neo-nazis, and only after significant pressure from his own party.


This is the same thing he did when he was asked if he knew David Duke, and took several days to condemn him, David Duke then saying he got the message, that Trump can't outright say he is in favor of Duke so the delayed condemnation sends a message of support.


this just comes down to Nazi taboo tbh. people act like if Nazis are at a place that any violence that follows is automatically and at a 100% rate attributed to them. dare to suggest that nazis and other violent groups clashed and that the other side has some fault too and the reporters just put on that rehearsed "oh wow i cant believe someone would say that" face. nazis are scum, but let's not act like that nazi rally didnt draw people from the left hoping things got violent so they could punch a nazi. these are powder kegs waiting to pop off.

i'd likely walk off stage too if someone had the default positions that i support nazis, but also am a stooge to israeli zionism, and chose day by day which to uncritically lob at me. his statement the next day should clear up this whole situation, instead all we get is the one line from it out of context, "good people on both sides". or in this thread you used a partial quote from his objectively better "clear things up" PR statement to represent a much more vague sentiment from his objectively worse statement from the night before. what we all remember is "good people on both sides", and what WAY too many people attribute it to is the nazi rally as if he said it in real time that night. he didn't, its a mandella effect issue based on headline scoop reporting and news.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 19 2020 11:11am)
August 12th Trump made comments with no differentiation of sides. He said there was "violence on many sides" and made absolutely no differentiation about sides even while the media at the press event were asking if he condemned the neo-nazis at the rally. This was the "Trump just wonders off stage during questions" event.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-politicians-condemn-white-nationalist-rally-charlottesville-virginia-n792096

Afterwards he was called out by Marco Rubio and Orrin Hatch, the latter saying "we need to call evil by its name".

Trump then made the comments that Goom posted on August 16th, taking 3 additional days to call out the neo-nazis, and only after significant pressure from his own party.


This is the same thing he did when he was asked if he knew David Duke, and took several days to condemn him, David Duke then saying he got the message, that Trump can't outright say he is in favor of Duke so the delayed condemnation sends a message of support.


You just moved to goalposts in a pretty extraordinary fashion.
You went from saying that Trump called Neo-Nazis 'very fine people'- which he didn't- to now saying that Trump wasn't 'specific enough' in his statements denouncing violence.

Except you failed to mention that up until the car ramming attack, Trump had been live tweeting condemnations of the violence throughout the day, before anyone was killed, and the low level street violence occurring was absolutely going in both directions. There were numerous brawls in relatively equal fights, but also lots of ganged up attacks, projectiles, the use of weapons by either side. Antifa/BLM and white nationalists were fighting each other and unprovoked assaults and cowardly attacks were being done by both sides. Any fairminded reasonable observer would be able to point out at that point, based on all the streams available, that there was plenty of blame to go around. And it resulted in a lawful protest being shut down by hostile action, something that has not happened in the past few weeks of BLM protests.

So you're criticizing Trump for being on point criticizing the violence in realtime as both sides went at each other, before it escalated to anyone getting killed.
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Honestly, I wonder what the solution, if any, to the big media problem is in this country.



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Jun 19 2020 10:28am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 19 2020 11:20am)
this just comes down to Nazi taboo tbh. people act like if Nazis are at a place that any violence that follows is automatically and at a 100% rate attributed to them. dare to suggest that nazis and other violent groups clashed and that the other side has some fault too and the reporters just put on that rehearsed "oh wow i cant believe someone would say that" face. nazis are scum, but let's not act like that nazi rally didnt draw people from the left hoping things got violent so they could punch a nazi. these are powder kegs waiting to pop off.

i'd likely walk off stage too if someone had the default positions that i support nazis, but also am a stooge to israeli zionism, and chose day by day which to uncritically lob at me. his statement the next day should clear up this whole situation, instead all we get is the one line from it out of context, "good people on both sides". or in this thread you used a partial quote from his objectively better "clear things up" PR statement to represent a much more vague sentiment from his objectively worse statement from the night before. what we all remember is "good people on both sides", and what WAY too many people attribute it to is the nazi rally as if he said it in real time that night. he didn't, its a mandella effect issue based on headline scoop reporting and news.


its weird how selective that can be. How come when BLM rioters destroyed Fuji-Ya and painted a swastika on it as they tried to burn it down, there was zero media coverage and I'd say even zero social media coverage on any corner of the internet drawing a line between BLM and nazis? Its not like its a new phenomenon, BLM extremists have a heavy overlap with anti-semitism and you start going down the farrakhan rabbit hole and they tie right back to overt Hitler-loving. Got to the point that when we saw stories about swastika being spray painted as hate crimes, it was more likely committed by a black guy than a white guy. Like the time it turned out to be the democratic New York City Council Speaker's black intern (james polite was conveniently set free by the bail reform package the democrats passed)

Obama had his picture taken smiling as he received the support of a man who also praises Hitler, and nobody tarred Obama with the muh-five-degrees-of-kevin-bacon-nazi-edition

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Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 19 2020 11:28am)
its weird how selective that can be. How come when BLM rioters destroyed Fuji-Ya and painted a swastika on it as they tried to burn it down, there was zero media coverage and I'd say even zero social media coverage on any corner of the internet drawing a line between BLM and nazis? Its not like its a new phenomenon, BLM extremists have a heavy overlap with anti-semitism and you start going down the farrakhan rabbit hole and they tie right back to overt Hitler-loving. Got to the point that when we saw stories about swastika being spray painted as hate crimes, it was more likely committed by a black guy than a white guy. Like the time it turned out to be the democratic New York City Council Speaker's black intern (james polite was conveniently set free by the bail reform package the democrats passed)

Obama had his picture taken smiling as he received the support of a man who also praises Hitler, and nobody tarred Obama with the muh-five-degrees-of-kevin-bacon-nazi-edition


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Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 19 2020 11:20am)
this just comes down to Nazi taboo tbh. people act like if Nazis are at a place that any violence that follows is automatically and at a 100% rate attributed to them. dare to suggest that nazis and other violent groups clashed and that the other side has some fault too and the reporters just put on that rehearsed "oh wow i cant believe someone would say that" face. nazis are scum, but let's not act like that nazi rally didnt draw people from the left hoping things got violent so they could punch a nazi. these are powder kegs waiting to pop off.

i'd likely walk off stage too if someone had the default positions that i support nazis, but also am a stooge to israeli zionism, and chose day by day which to uncritically lob at me. his statement the next day should clear up this whole situation, instead all we get is the one line from it out of context, "good people on both sides". or in this thread you used a partial quote from his objectively better "clear things up" PR statement to represent a much more vague sentiment from his objectively worse statement from the night before. what we all remember is "good people on both sides", and what WAY too many people attribute it to is the nazi rally as if he said it in real time that night. he didn't, its a mandella effect issue based on headline scoop reporting and news.


You should really tell that to Orrin Hatch John McCain and Marco Rubio then

Oh and the August 11th rally was specifically organized by neo Nazis with neo Nazi speakers. It was literally a neo Nazi torch rally. And in his August 12th address he specifically says "the night before" when he defends them.

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