French victory was completely decisive for american independance.

The settlers could not win the war against Britain.
The fight took place mainly between French and British. The French have won.
The Americans themselves were divided. Some were in favor of the Revolution, others were not.

Next step is viet nam level discussion.

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Intentionally misinforming under the cover of this so-called freedom of expression harms and kills this same freedom of expression because everything then becomes "dubious". Questioning the information to VERIFY it is a good thing and allows free will, confronting and debating just as much, but distorting the facts to make it so as to manipulate people is another story.

The level of nonsense in your post is nearly insane. And if you want to discuss the French conflict of Vietnam where they created a boiling pot, demanded our aid, then abandoned the fight they started, we could go there. But there's really no need.

The colonists quite likely would have won without the French. It merely would have been even bloodier and nastier than it was. The British simply couldn't maintain enough of a presence in the Colonies to keep them subdued. And "French Help" wasn't help at all. The French ONLY "aided" the colonists in their Revolution to help distract British assets during the French/British war that started in 1775. And if the French hadn't lost nearly all their colonial assets prior to that, they still may not have "provided aid". They were the absolute worst when it came to being there when requested, and tended to show up at the end of a fight to act like they "saved the day".

French are shit. They've always been shit. They barely fought the Brits at all, and typically wouldn't engage until they were certain their own losses would be relatively minimal.

Even so far back they were cowards.

United State was made possible by France for all people who were not like you.


All American schoolchildren know the basics of the history of the United States' revolt against Britain. The Boston Tea Party ... Paul Revere and the Minutemen ... the Declaration of Independence ... Valley Forge ...

As for the way the war ended, as far as we are concerned, we know that it really ended with the Battle of Yorktown (Virginia), in 1781. And we thank the French, whom Ben Franklin had courted for years in Paris, "coming to help us".

The French fleet, under the command of La Fayette, arrived at the mouth of Chesapeake Bay, blocked the British supplies and forced them to surrender. Hence the famous phrase "Lafayette, here we are! ", Pronounced by American soldiers when they landed in Le Havre, France, in 1917.

You are a false american.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 27 2020 12:49pm

AutismBobb strikes again. Edgelords gonna edgelord.

1781? Are you high? The Brits didn't even cede the colony until after they lost the war of 1812. They had no intention of honoring anything, especially over the surrender of one MINOR fleet. The assumption that Cornwallis was so important, or even that fleet, is absurd. The fact of the matter is that by 1779, the British were in open warfare with the French and the Spanish, and the colonies were draining supplies, troops, and armament at an enormous rate. Pirates were being utilized to sabotage their supply lines, and the French were given the minor role of helping train the Colonial Regulars led by Washington. The militias were not to be their concern, nor were the Tribals or Pirates. Had the Battle of Chesapeake gone the other way, it wouldn't have mattered. Cornwallis was on the run, there were other American forces on the way, the realistic impact of "if the French had never shown" would have been a razed harbor and a withdrawn fleet. The British could NOT support continued warfare in the colonies.

1812 did happen, and would STILL have happened, and there was no help from the French. The British were seeking to reclaim their colony, and they LOST. They outgunned us, they outmanned us, they outnavied us, and we won, not because some french company showed up after everyone else had fought to exhaustion, but because we were ready and prepared to stand to the last man. There would never have been a colony for the British to collect. They would have had to go scorched Earth to take it, and even then, they had nothing but enemies further inland with the tribals.

The French ONLY joined the conflict AT ALL because they were LOSING their war vs the British. Franklin promised a diversion of troops and resources and supply lines to the colonies if the French provided minimal aid that would give France a fighting chance in their war against Britain.

When you're finish licking coward ballsack, let us know. The United States owes the French nothing. They only provided minimal help during the revolutionary war, none whatsoever in 1812 or thereafter. They cried for help in WWI, WWII, and Vietnam, and have given us nothing but grief since. Any true American would despise those cowardly sacks of shit for claiming credit for a damned thing.

The "rebel", "insurgent", or "terrorist" army, made up of settlers, received too little support from the Americans themselves. General Washington's men were hungry and half-naked at Valley Forge.

Historians estimate that one in five white men in colonial America was opposed to independence. There were up to 9,000 "loyalists" on the British side.


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On September 3 and 4, American troops mutinied, declaring that they would not leave Maryland until they were paid. Again, the French saved the situation. The Count of Rochambeau loaned money to Washington to pay them.

When the troops finally arrived at Yorktown at the end of September 1781, they cut the Cornwallis withdrawal route. It was the real test. But it was not a fight between the Americans and the English. It was a battle between a motley band of mercenaries, militiamen and regular soldiers: American loyalists supporting British and German (Hessian) troops on one side ... and American insurgents and French troops on the other.


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On October 19, the British waved the white flag.

When the battle ended, twice as many French people as Americans had been killed. And the French intervention had been so costly that it almost caused the ruin of the Bourbons.

Short of money, Louis XVI was forced to convene an "assembly" of representatives of the people to approve new fiscal measures. Of course, this degenerated and provoked the French Revolution. Louis left his head there.

Thanks, fade away and never come back.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 27 2020 01:44pm

Your attempts to portray Cowards who's only real interest was to divert British resources away from Europe as heroes shows your true level of hatred towards Americans and America.

It's no shock from a coward. I'm frankly amused that you believe you have any right to attempt to dictate what a "real American" should believe though.

Run along, Frenchy. Thank you for showing, yet again, why Normandy was a mistake. 73,000 troops sent to help liberate you, not so much as a thank you. You want us to lick cowards balls and you contributed what, 12,000 soldiers to our revolution, another 36,000 sailors, and claim the win as all you? Some 217,000 colonists die fighting for their independence, but minor engagement numbers by the French, leading to 2100 dead won the day?

The fuck out of here.

https://twitter.com/HawleyMO/status/1265732828630843397

its pure posturing, but its good posturing.
People have been rumbling about the idea of holding social media platforms as publishers rather than distributors as they increasingly curate and editorialize content, and making a move on Trump could be exactly what it takes to provoke legislative backlash
of course, it would never get passed

As distributors they can encapsulate the content and label it the way they want... Till they are not touching the essence of the author's text...

Trump has the freedom to leave and to fund his own tweeter plateform...

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 27 2020 04:27pm

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mail-in-ballot-voter-fraud/

snopes joining in to "check" the "facts"



They spent more of their "fact check" on asking "What is Behind the President’s Motivation for Attacking Mail-in Voting?" than they did exploring what kind of fraud takes place, what evidence there is, what is unknown and what is possible. They didn't even list the vulnerabilities. Another explicit opinion article dressed up as a fact check, looking to impugn motives, disagree with opinions and even push a conspiracy theory that Trump is only talking about it so he can deny election results (GEE, like democrats said he would do last time around, and then did themselves?)

These guys have done a great service in destroying the meaning of words. "Facts" are no longer thing in the post-fact world.