Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 28 2020 02:41pm)

I see lots of hyperbolic claims without evidence or context of current treatment paradigms. You're ranting while people like Handcuffs are posting peer reviewed medical guidelines. It doesn't take long to see who has facts and logic on their side in these conversations.

"If we applied my way of thinking we wouldn't have toasted these people's brains", but we also wouldn't have invented antidepressants, anti-psychotics, etc. etc.

Oh well. Gonna go to bed. It's clear you aren't actually listening.

Quote (LoLoutLoud @ Feb 28 2020 09:12pm)

stop the pills for a night and stay awake

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 27 2020 11:41pm)

I see lots of hyperbolic claims without evidence or context of current treatment paradigms. You're ranting while people like Handcuffs are posting peer reviewed medical guidelines. It doesn't take long to see who has facts and logic on their side in these conversations.

"If we applied my way of thinking we wouldn't have toasted these people's brains", but we also wouldn't have invented antidepressants, anti-psychotics, etc. etc.

Oh well. Gonna go to bed. It's clear you aren't actually listening.

Quote (duffman316 @ Feb 28 2020 07:36am)

antidepressants are often in the news for people going crazy aren't they?
https://nypost.com/2017/07/26/common-antidepressants-linked-to-at-least-28-murders/

this does not inspire confidence
https://www.webmd.com/depression/how-different-antidepressants-work#1
Understanding Antidepressants: Basic Brain Chemistry
If you've read up on antidepressants -- in newspapers and magazines, or on the Web -- you might see depression explained simply as a "chemical imbalance" or a "serotonin deficiency." Unfortunately, it's not that simple. We really don't know what causes depression or how it affects the brain. We don't exactly know how antidepressants improve the symptoms.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Feb 27 2020 08:44pm)

The issue though is that you're woefully uninformed on the topic, yet you post with the confidence of someone well-read on the matter. You're wrong consistently, and yet that doesn't seem to matter to you.

1. Even WPATH standards state that the surgery of genitals shouldn't be performed until the majority age of consent for medical decisions, and so in the US, such surgery isn't going to be "performed on children".
2. Why would someone be on puberty blockers until 20? You can gallivant around pretending that you know what you're talking about, but your bias colors your view. Earlier you thought 8-year-olds were being given puberty blockers as a standard, and now you think people stay on puberty blockers until 20? You're just making numbers up to try and sound extreme.
3. You also are unaware of the history of puberty blockers, which have been around long before their modern application in gender dysphoric youth.
4. You're also unaware of the legal considerations surrounding minor assent.

I'd humbly recommend posting less, and reading more.

Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 28 2020 09:02am)

ive raised the issue of the irreversible effects of puberty blockers several times. never gotten an answer other than "only a few will change their minds and thats too bad". ive read plenty, and dont tend to dig in too hard on trans topics because i get to the same dead end every time.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 28 2020 09:04am)

We'd have to compare the outcomes for those who "changed their minds" versus those who didn't.

Maybe 1% change their minds and have bad effects, but 99% who don't have a great improvement so the 1% risk is worth it as long as you inform the patient and their family of the risks.


Will just need to be studied and the risks weighed like any potential side effect.

Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 28 2020 09:14am)

i have no doubt that the %'s listed there are about accurate. it gets scary to me when you consider indoctrination. ive heard MANY gay men express concern that young effeminate gay men are being pushed towards the trans end of the spectrum rather than being allowed to "just become gay men". i realize in many cases tho there's intense counseling, im just leery of irreversible hormone changes to children. especially since the parents willing to hormone block their kids from 9 (let's be honest) are the most likely to indoctrinate. i'm not one for the "fad effect" of trans growth in society, but do recognize it does have an effect on the periphery.

edit: also hormone blocking children hasnt even been done long enough in large enough numbers to study later in life regret yet. its like studying the decades long effect of vaping.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 28 2020 09:20am)

Unfortunately the only way to get the long term data is to let treatments be prescribed at physicians discretion and study it later.

Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 28 2020 07:02am)

ive raised the issue of the irreversible effects of puberty blockers several times. never gotten an answer other than "only a few will change their minds and thats too bad". ive read plenty, and dont tend to dig in too hard on trans topics because i get to the same dead end every time.