Quote (thundercock @ Dec 18 2019 08:30pm)

OH FUCK THIS IS BIPARTISAN NOW BITCHES!!!!!!!

Quote (EndlessSky @ 18 Dec 2019 21:04)

Quote (AspenSniper @ Dec 18 2019 09:16pm)

Here's my take:

- Did Trump do something wrong by threatening to withhold military aid to Ukraine unless they agreed to investigate Hunter Biden? 51% of my says yes Trump did that and yes that's wrong.
- Is it also pretty fucking bizarre that Hunter Biden is in the job he is in over in Ukraine and could he have been using that to leverage Joe Biden in 2020? Absolutely.
- If Trump's son was in Hunter Biden's position and Obama did what Trump did, would democrats have any issue with Obama doing that? Nope.

So that's my most independent thought. So in my view, yes Trump did something bad. Do I think it's impeachable? No, I just do not think it is that bad.

For anyone here who isn't aware, being impeached by the house literally means nothing. The senate won't get to 50% let alone the 67% necessary.

Quote (ThatAlex @ Dec 18 2019 03:08pm)

Clinton obstructed justice and should have been removed from office. As should Trump. Strictly if you go by the letter of the law. But alas and for better or worse, impeachment is a political process and not a legal one.

But I'm a rule of law kind of guy.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 18 2019 09:04pm)

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 18 2019 06:00pm)

Collin Peterson is a long-sitting (D) incumbent from a district that went for Trump by a 31% margin in 2016; a leftover from a bygone era who was able to hang on to his seat based on strong name-recognition and favorability ratings in his district. Given the partisan lean of his district (R+12) and Trump's particular strength there (R+31 in 2016), Peterson voting against impeachment had to be expected.
Jeff Van Drew is representing a Republican-leaning seat and will soon switch sides to become a Republican anyway.
Tulsi had strategic considerations with her presidential run in mind and chickened out of taking a stand on impeachment.
Will Hurd, the former Republican now independent nevertrumper who will not run for reelection is the only non-Democrat to vote for impeachment.


Overall, the headline coming out of this is that both parties were able to keep their ranks closed. In particular, the vast majority of red district Democrats, many of them brought into office by the blue wave of 2018 after running as decidedly centrist candidates, have stuck to the party line and come out in favor of impeachment. I absolutely expect many of them to pay the price at the ballot box in 2020.