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Oct 29 2019 07:46pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Oct 29 2019 09:37pm)
Are we going to pretend all the cultures that had/have more than two genders do not exist?


99% of cultures and societies based their genders on sex. It's been that way for as long as history records it. Even before these societies came in contact with each other this binary distinction existed. Honestly, it's very simple, look in your pants what you see is what determines your sex which corresponds to a gender.

It's real fucking simple. I really don't understand why the woke crowd is trying to redefine such rudimentary biological facts.
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Oct 29 2019 08:09pm
Quote (Santara @ Oct 29 2019 06:33pm)
I don't go out of my way to use misgendering pronouns, if that's what you mean. I will find ways to say or write what I need to express in a neutral fashion.


Which is a good thing. However, it would also seem silly to me to go out of one's way to use neutral pronouns after learning someone you assumed wasn't transgender, is.
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Oct 29 2019 08:12pm
I do find it interesting to note the way in which Santara holds conversations on topics like this compared to other posters of similar general beliefs.
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Oct 29 2019 09:45pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 29 2019 04:43pm)
Depends in what sense you are using "disprove". It definitely disproves the rule as absolute. At minimum it demonstrates that the rule has exceptions.


no one said it doesnt. its still a rule that useful and generally true.



Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 29 2019 04:53pm)
I'm talking about how people assess which pronoun to use in a given situation, not some reading of pronoun assignments as absolute truths of biology. We could just as easily make a third set of pronouns for people with androgynous characteristics and call them Hijras and it would be just as biologically true as the binary description.

Which pronoun you use has never been dependent on what genitals the other person has. It has, however, been based on secondary characteristics that are typical of one sex or the other, and on tertiary characteristics that are adopted depending on societal norms. I.E. primary = genitals, secondary = hip to waist ratio, tertiary = clothing choice, preferred pronoun, etc.

The only way you can reasonably say that the penis is implied is to create some ridiculous headcanon that Winnie the Pooh has a retractable penis that never shows up, or that in the truest reading you should mentally insert a dangling dong into every image of Pooh. In truth we call Winnie the Pooh a boy because he has a deeper voice and refers to himself as such. Change his voice and slap a "her" label on the same design and you've suddenly created a character that is female without doing anything with genitals.


youve gotta be out of your mind bat-shit insane if you think you can bring any proof of anything from a CHILDRENS cartoon character. its a damn cartoon, NO cartoons have genitals, male or female, because theyre aimed at kids and thats something that pretty much everyone agrees kids shouldnt be exposed to.
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Oct 29 2019 09:48pm
Quote (ReturnFormer @ Oct 29 2019 10:45pm)
no one said it doesnt. its still a rule that useful and generally true.

youve gotta be out of your mind bat-shit insane if you think you can bring any proof of anything from a CHILDRENS cartoon character. its a damn cartoon, NO cartoons have genitals, male or female, because theyre aimed at kids and thats something that pretty much everyone agrees kids shouldnt be exposed to.


Way to totally miss the point dude.

The fact that fictional characters dont have genitals and are still considered to have sexes proves genitals arent what we use to make pronoun assignments.
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Oct 29 2019 09:49pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Oct 29 2019 09:37pm)
Are we going to pretend all the cultures that had/have more than two genders do not exist?


they exist, just like transgenders exist. however, just like transgenders, theyre a small minority, and not a proof of anything. MOST cultures have defined sexuality as two genders. (although many also recognize hermaphrodites, but recognize that thats not the norm.) its the natural, biological, sensible way to define things.
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Oct 29 2019 09:51pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 29 2019 11:48pm)
Way to totally miss the point dude.

The fact that fictional characters dont have genitals anwith ge are still considered to have sexes proves genitals arent what we use to make pronoun assignments.


no, you missed my point. if the creators could, they would make them with their proper genitals. the only reason they dont is because theyre aimed at kids. its not a proof of anything.

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Quote (ReturnFormer @ Oct 29 2019 10:51pm)
no, you missed my point. if the creators could, they would make them with their proper genitals. the only reason they dont is because theyre aimed at kids. its not a proof of anything.


In other words you believe that to have the truest reading of Winnie the Pooh you should always imagine him having a floppy penis hanging out.
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Oct 29 2019 09:56pm
Quote (ReturnFormer @ Oct 29 2019 11:51pm)
no, you missed my point. if the creators could, they would make them with their proper genitals. the only reason they dont is because theyre aimed at kids. its not a proof of anything.


How do u know the creators would do that did you talk to them beforehand lol
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Oct 29 2019 09:57pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 30 2019 12:46pm)
99% of cultures and societies based their genders on sex. It's been that way for as long as history records it. Even before these societies came in contact with each other this binary distinction existed. Honestly, it's very simple, look in your pants what you see is what determines your sex which corresponds to a gender.

It's real fucking simple. I really don't understand why the woke crowd is trying to redefine such rudimentary biological facts.


Except they have found cultures thousands of years old that have up to 6 genders.
99% is not 100%.
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