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Oct 25 2019 09:42am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 25 2019 10:38am)
Is that what I said?

what an odd take on personal accountability for being wrong...


you said i'm an arrogant twat. why would i respond to something i agree with? would you like a score for each of your posts to let you know what i agree with. i was transparent in saying i wont go point for point with you, and said that it's due to how rigid and semantic you are. you can post block me if chiming in on your posts gets to be too much for you. you can try and goad me by calling me wrong, but you're just shooting blanks.

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Oct 25 2019 09:56am
Quote (Brian_D @ Oct 25 2019 11:42am)
Hey dont jump the gun buddy.

I guess all of the people testifying under oath are lying?




Probably not. I just read thru the first one. The 15 page statement. Everything he said was hearsay. He, himself made no accusations.
I posted that earlier in this topic.
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Oct 25 2019 10:09am
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 25 2019 10:57am)
i dont believe for one minute they'll rush through something we all can agree wont pass. the only reason to do it if it wont pass is to politically harm trump. in fairness i dont consider that dirty pool if they are doing it as a way to remove him via non-reelection. as in, they cant get impeachment to pass, so push it on and make him lose in 2020 as a result. i'm not saying it will go down exactly like that, shit can change day to day, but imo that's the strategy.


Do you mean he won't be impeached or won't be removed? I think based on the facts we have now, it's inevitable he gets impeached.

I think Democrats are going to move as quickly as they can on this. Like I said, the longer it goes on in 2020, the weaker the case becomes. Hold hearings showing the corruption so that Americans can understand what happened, impeach him, and then watch as Republicans all year in 2020 are forced to explain their votes either to not impeach or not remove. The longer the process gets dragged out, the more time Republicans have to muddy the waters and force Americans to stop paying attention.

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Oct 25 2019 10:18am
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Do you mean he won't be impeached or won't be removed? I think based on the facts we have now, it's inevitable he gets impeached.

I think Democrats are going to move as quickly as they can on this. Like I said, the longer it goes on in 2020, the weaker the case becomes. Hold hearings showing the corruption so that Americans can understand what happened, impeach him, and then watch as Republicans all year in 2020 be forced to explain their votes either to not impeach or not remove. The longer the process gets dragged out, the more time Republicans have to muddy the waters and force Americans to stop paying attention.


removed is what i meant. i agree he will be impeached.

i think i can best illustrate what i mean in numbers, a rare thing in politics. the polls with impeachment around 50% both ways are fairly accurate i think. which means votes to remove or not remove are going to be about equal in effect on the population. BUT, we have split houses of congress. so the house will vote to remove most likely regardless of the hearings, and the senate will decline to remove. and it will fail. i dont think it will be problematic for either GOP senator or congresspeople to explain their votes. 50% of people will be happy and 50% mad regardless of what we get in the hearings. i say that because i dont think that the Ukraine issue is enough to sway people nor that there's bombshells yet to drop. if schiff had them the media would have them already.
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Oct 25 2019 10:36am
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 25 2019 09:21am)


you dont support the republicans, fine. and yet you dont seem to be harping on them for writing the rules. it's just an anti-schiff show from Cam. so i guess you dont support them, you just dont attack them. how convenient.


Gotta say its nice to see others finally catching on to what ive been pointing out for like a decade.
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Oct 25 2019 10:46am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 25 2019 09:36am)
Gotta say its nice to see others finally catching on to what ive been pointing out for like a decade.


The silence during the Trump administration has been pretty deafening tbh.
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Oct 25 2019 10:51am
Quote (thundercock @ Oct 25 2019 12:46pm)
The silence during the Trump administration has been pretty deafening tbh.


Another classic case of ignoring all the times i've criticized Trump and other republicans because i don't oppose them on other issues with good reason.
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Oct 25 2019 11:04am
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 25 2019 09:56am)
Probably not. I just read thru the first one. The 15 page statement. Everything he said was hearsay. He, himself made no accusations.
I posted that earlier in this topic.


So if and when more people come forward and corroborate, you will still feel that way?
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Oct 25 2019 11:08am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 25 2019 11:51am)
Another classic case of ignoring all the times i've criticized Trump and other republicans because i don't oppose them on other issues with good reason.


Of Obama did half the shit Trump has done you would be up a tree. A few cases of mildly stating a disagreement over three years is such a stark contrast with how often and intensely you criticized Obama that its hard not to interpret it as implicit support
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Oct 25 2019 11:09am
Quote (Brian_D @ Oct 25 2019 12:04pm)
So if and when more people come forward and corroborate, you will still feel that way?


You're asking a guy, who said he wanted to wait for the appeal of a cop convicted of killing someone before passing judgement, will still feel the same way?

Not likely to change his mind on anything.
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