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Jul 24 2019 03:54pm
Quote (Brian_D @ 24 Jul 2019 23:27)
SCHIFF: Trump and his campaign welcomed & encouraged Russian interference?

MUELLER: Yes.

SCHIFF: And then Trump and his campaign lied about it to cover it up?

MUELLER: Yes.

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Ted Lieu: The President met the requirements of Obstruction, yes?

Mueller: Yes.

Ted Lieu: The only reason you did not indict the President was because of the opinion that you can not indict a sitting President, correct?

Mueller: Correct.

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Sorry dude, your man god is a criminal.


it's amazing how they can trick themselves into believing that's not a big deal, or even that he's completely innocent of any wrongdoing. olympic level mental gymnastics...
a presidential candidate encouraging a foreign government to meddle with your elections? a president blatantly obstructing justice on multiple occasions? meh, 'small level offense' at best. who cares about the separation of powers, about checks and balances, right? complete nothingburger like b-b-benghaaaaazi...

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Quote (thesnipa @ 24 Jul 2019 23:08)
I raised several similarities that are inarguable on purpose

also, now you're using pivot wrong.


i simply disagree with your evaluation that the mueller investigation is 'the liberal's benghazi', i don't think they are similar at all. now obviously you're entitled to your simplistic fox news / trump cult talking point, but you're dead WRONG in claiming that using the phrase 'not comparable' to point that out, is somehow incorrect. it simply isn't - but i guess you were so eager to be a petty little asshat, that you failed to realise the word could indeed mean what already was blatantly obvious from the context anyway.
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Jul 24 2019 03:57pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 25 2019 07:52am)
im here to tell you friend that the needle didn't move an inch as a result of today, this investigation, or anything that's ever happened. we're dead locked at near 50-50, that's the consequence of a 2 party system. people vote the line most of the time, and people who hated trump in 2016 for grabbing women's pussies (or didn't, especially those that didn't) still do.

what do you think this showed people about trump that EVERYTHING hes said and done thusfar hasn't?

Trump has bragged for DECADES about buying politicians and skirting building codes for personal gain. hes a dirty fuck and we all know it.


That is why i despise two party system and party hackery, this is not sports teams, its the future direction of a nation.
This year i voted conservative because i disagreed with the policies of the left in my country, next time i will probably vote far left.
People should be voting for what helps their county, country, state, not whatever sports team they go for.
I would never vote for someone who is a self admitted sexual predator even if they had the perfect platform, i would never vote for someone i saw as corrupt even if they were leading my party of choice.
The entire concept of parties bothers me, whats the point of two opposing factions tearing down each others work when what the people need is things built and improved?

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Jul 24 2019 03:58pm
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i simply disagree with your evaluation that the mueller investigation is 'the liberal's benghazi', i don't think they are similar at all. now obviously you're entitled to your simplistic fox news / trump cult talking point, but you're dead WRONG in claiming that using the phrase 'not comparable' to point that out, is somehow incorrect. it simply isn't - but i guess you were so eager to be a petty little asshat, that you failed to realise the word could indeed mean what already was blatantly obvious from the context anyway.


so you don't think that both are federal investigations?

you don't think that both failed to indict the person they sought to?

you don't feel that they both produced evidence that implicated the focus of the investigation?

you don't feel that both were spearheaded by the congress of the opposition party?

because these are similarities. inarguable ones.

when there was a terrorist attack in Paris and people called it "France's 9/11" perhaps I should have responded "those are incomparable, not enough people died and they didn't even use planes, duh".

you learned English phraseology in large part on the internet correct? my guess is you've read that for years before anyone told you it was a silly saying. and that person was me, today. I can help with more English critiques rather than political banter if you'd prefer.

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That is why i despise two party system and party hackery, this is not sports teams, its the future direction of a nation.
This year i voted conservative because i disagreed with the policies of the left in my country, next time i will probably vote far left.
People should be voting for what helps their county, country, state, not whatever sports team they go for.
I would never vote for someone who is a self admitted sexual predator even if they had the perfect platform, i would never vote for someone i saw as corrupt even if they were leading my party of choice.
The entire concept of parties bothers me, whats the point of two opposing factions tearing down each others work when what the people need is things built and improved?


preach brotha. I hate the 2 party system more than anyone.... ive voted green and libertarian plenty. but even I plug my nose and vote red or blue most of the time. just not one party ALL the time. that's as much of the issue as anything.

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Jul 24 2019 03:59pm
Quote (Brian_D @ Jul 24 2019 02:45pm)
Im not saying he should be indited or even impeached.

People need to know what kind of person he is.

Some people are okay with his character but I am not so I wont vote for him in 2020. After today I can only assume more people will agree with what I am saying vs before the testimony.


Buckle up for another term

Everyone knew who and what he was the first time and they are about to take themselves another scoop

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Jul 24 2019 04:01pm
Thing I got from this is Mueller is a coward for not coming out with a recommendation for indictment for obstruction. He seemed like a feeble old man.
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so you don't think that both are federal investigations?

you don't think that both failed to indict the person they sought to?

you don't feel that they both produced evidence that implicated the focus of the investigation?

you don't feel that both were spearheaded by the congress of the opposition party?

because these are similarities. inarguable ones.

when there was a terrorist attack in Paris and people called it "France's 9/11" perhaps I should have responded "those are incomparable, not enough people died and they didn't eve use planes, duh".


getting desperate there, huh? they have certain similarities ≠ they are similar. seriously, you can't kellyanne your way out of this. i disagree with your idiotic false equivalence between the two investigations. again, you can keep those simplistic fox news talking points to yourself, no one who knows the least thing about what's actually in the mueller report is buying it...
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Jul 24 2019 04:08pm
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That is why i despise two party system and party hackery, this is not sports teams, its the future direction of a nation.
This year i voted conservative because i disagreed with the policies of the left in my country, next time i will probably vote far left.
People should be voting for what helps their county, country, state, not whatever sports team they go for.
I would never vote for someone who is a self admitted sexual predator even if they had the perfect platform, i would never vote for someone i saw as corrupt even if they were leading my party of choice.
The entire concept of parties bothers me, whats the point of two opposing factions tearing down each others work when what the people need is things built and improved?


thing is, while the sports team mentality and 2 party bullshit is certainly contributing to the problem, the main reason for close elections is not equal support for both 'teams', but a completely rigged electoral system that currently massively favours one party to keep them competitive - against the will of a pretty significant majority. 50-50 is a myth, the electoral college makes it close to that, but it's not really what the american people want...
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Jul 24 2019 04:10pm
Quote (fender @ Jul 24 2019 05:54pm)
it's amazing how they can trick themselves into believing that's not a big deal, or even that he's completely innocent of any wrongdoing. olympic level mental gymnastics...
a presidential candidate encouraging a foreign government to meddle with your elections? a president blatantly obstructing justice on multiple occasions? meh, 'small level offense' at best. who cares about the separation of powers, about checks and balances, right? complete nothingburger like b-b-benghaaaaazi...

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i simply disagree with your evaluation that the mueller investigation is 'the liberal's benghazi', i don't think they are similar at all. now obviously you're entitled to your simplistic fox news / trump cult talking point, but you're dead WRONG in claiming that using the phrase 'not comparable' to point that out, is somehow incorrect. it simply isn't - but i guess you were so eager to be a petty little asshat, that you failed to realise the word could indeed mean what already was blatantly obvious from the context anyway.


You can't grope for it or beg the question, or consider circumstantial evidence, or implication. When persecuting the President of the United States you need hard proof you cannot argue with. You can impeach over a blow job though lol.

Quote (krackprophet @ Jul 24 2019 06:01pm)
Thing I got from this is Mueller is a coward for not coming out with a recommendation for indictment for obstruction. He seemed like a feeble old man.


Roger Stone will likely be incarcerated for this and Manafort is currently doing time for work done in the Trump campaign's behalf. People are being prosecuted.

Mueller is doing a pretty good job at protecting his own ass as he should lol. He has a powerful sociopath tweeting against him nonstop and this sociopath's enemies, sociopath team B, are attempting to weaponize him to harm a sitting president.

No collusion, no deep state conspiracy. A result I can live with.

Yes, we know Trump is a lying deviant sex criminal and thief. That wasn't the focus of the investigation. If America cared about morality at all in its leaders the whole prostitution and sexual assault thing would be a deal breaker but it isn't. We have the heads of evangelical churches praying to him.

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getting desperate there, huh? they have certain similarities ≠ they are similar. seriously, you can't kellyanne your way out of this. i disagree with your idiotic false equivalence between the two investigations. again, you can keep those simplistic fox news talking points to yourself, no one who knows the least thing about what's actually in the mueller report is buying it...


how similar do 2 things need to be to make a little funny saying?

how butthurt does someone need to be to latch onto a single statement this hard?

the fact that you're now at the place where you're saying 2 high profile federal investigations by FBI directors that both found illegal evidence but refused to indict based on procedural rules aren't similar enough to make a funny little comparison is priceless. and all because I corrected your English for just repeating a phrase you aren't in reality expected to know is incorrect. it was meant as a small jab but you got knocked silly and haven't stopped walking into punches since. 2 FBI directors don't indict for rules on high profile govt officials in the executive branch, but how dare you put them into one little comparison. HOW DARE YOU.
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thing is, while the sports team mentality and 2 party bullshit is certainly contributing to the problem, the main reason for close elections is not equal support for both 'teams', but a completely rigged electoral system that currently massively favours one party to keep them competitive - against the will of a pretty significant majority. 50-50 is a myth, the electoral college makes it close to that, but it's not really what the american people want...


https://splinternews.com/here-is-the-final-popular-vote-count-of-the-2016-electi-1793864349

48.2% to 46.1%

so you're right, its not 50-50. its more like 51-49
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